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Originally Posted by
The Federalist Engineer
The Red Maple Leaf will be just fine. Our issue with LSU is that we put those Pussies on a pedestal
Cerantola wont be rattled by drunk 250 lb grandmothers with arm and neck tattoos. Fristoe and Sims are going to come from the pen and drop bombs too. After Arlington and the Dude, LSU is not special. Even Trustmark is great leveling experience for the boys
The time when we pitched Saturday and Sunday with Walkons and Rudy Ruettigers is past. 2021 is like strolling into LSU with Reed, Jobes, and Chris George. This weekend is a Business Trip.
One advantage we'll have over LSU is that our guys are more battle tested. We've played 3 top 15 teams and 2 very good non-conference opponents, while LSU hasn't played a top 25 team yet.
The combined record of LSU's opponents is 78-90. The combined record of the teams we've played is 92-72.
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Originally Posted by
somebodyshotmypaw
Agreed. Lemonis is playing to win it all. He?s hoping to develop Cerantola and Fristoe. We will need them in June. It?s not about one series or one game in March.
Nobody disagrees with this and everybody sees the talent of Canadian Bacon. But there comes a point when upside just cant be tolerated anymore when results continue to outperform. You can only run CB out there so many times before getting your future All-SEC Freshman more starts.
We'll see what happens this weekend. If CB has a good outing thats awesome. If he doesnt? Well Lemon has to make a decision and quick
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Once you remove Cerantola from the rotation, that's probably it on him starting. His ceiling is still higher than anyone, which means the team's ceiling is higher with him starting and pitching well. So you keep giving him chances until he's shown you he definitely won't do it. Last week was enough of a bump to give him another chance. Sure, he doesn't have many more. But keeping him in there for at least another is a good move because it gives our team a higher ceiling. I'm sure Lemonis won't keep him there long if he reverts back.
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Originally Posted by
smootness
Once you remove Cerantola from the rotation, that's probably it on him starting. His ceiling is still higher than anyone, which means the team's ceiling is higher with him starting and pitching well. So you keep giving him chances until he's shown you he definitely won't do it. Last week was enough of a bump to give him another chance. Sure, he doesn't have many more. But keeping him in there for at least another is a good move because it gives our team a higher ceiling. I'm sure Lemonis won't keep him there long if he reverts back.
If you go back and look, Cerantola has, I think, twice loaded the bases by walk or HBP and then retired the next 3.
As dangerous as it sounds, he may be better coming in with runners on. And seemingly better from the stretch.
Mentally.
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Originally Posted by
MaroonFlounder
If you go back and look, Cerantola has, I think, twice loaded the bases by walk or HBP and then retired the next 3.
As dangerous as it sounds, he may be better coming in with runners on. And seemingly better from the stretch.
Mentally.
I, along with others, have been saying this for two years. I firmly believe that Cerrantola is more valuable to us out of the bullpen. I understand he's got great upside, but he just can't seem to figure out the starting thing. I think he could be a great long relief and spot start guy for us. Now, I could say all this and he could go down to BR and look like Roger Clemens. That's just the unpredictability of him and we're so deep I just don't know if we want to roll with that much unpredictability.
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Originally Posted by
MaroonFlounder
If you go back and look, Cerantola has, I think, twice loaded the bases by walk or HBP and then retired the next 3.
As dangerous as it sounds, he may be better coming in with runners on. And seemingly better from the stretch.
Mentally.
After the first walk, wouldn't he have gone to the stretch? After 3 walks, wouldn't he have gone to a full windup? I've watched very little of us so far, so my assumptions could be wrong
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EC has a focus problem at times on the mound. This is what gets him in trouble.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
Nobody disagrees with this and everybody sees the talent of Canadian Bacon. But there comes a point when upside just cant be tolerated anymore when results continue to outperform. You can only run CB out there so many times before getting your future All-SEC Freshman more starts.
We'll see what happens this weekend. If CB has a good outing thats awesome. If he doesnt? Well Lemon has to make a decision and quick
I totally agree with you. I'm not advocating for running him out there all season with a 6.50 ERA. But there are those on this board that do disagree. They wanted to bench Cerantola after 1 start.
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Originally Posted by
WinningIsRelentless
EC has a focus problem at times on the mound. This is what gets him in trouble.
One concern for EC against LSU is that they live and die with the home run. When EC does get hit the ball seems to go a long way. I know he's given up a HR in each of his last 2 starts. Now it doesn't take long to pile up some runs if EC goes walk and hbp followed with a 3 run homer. We don't need to just be gifting LSU with a lot of charity baserunners. You can get by with that a little more in our park than you can in the new Alex Box.
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Originally Posted by
somebodyshotmypaw
I totally agree with you. I'm not advocating for running him out there all season with a 6.50 ERA. But there are those on this board that do disagree. They wanted to bench Cerantola after 1 start.
There are also a lot of fans that think the baseball team should never lose and should pull out all the stops every single game. While they won’t admit it they also want to win 2 or 3 in Baton Rouge more than they’d like a series victory over a much better team next week.
This series fits into the whole of the season and what we are trying to accomplish, it is part of the season but does not make or brake our season
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Well- starting him cost us today. No way you start him next Sunday
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
Well- starting him cost us today. No way you start him next Sunday
Yep. I think that experiment is over.
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Originally Posted by
BeardoMSU
Yep. I think that experiment is over.
Thank God. He'll have a pro career, but we just can't keep trotting him out there.
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So I guess now, does Lemonis swap Cerantola and Harding or put Fristoe back to Sunday???
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He’s a taller Evan Mitchell...unbelievable stuff, has no clue how to make it work in the zone consistently
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Originally Posted by
Hambone
So I guess now, does Lemonis swap Cerantola and Harding or put Fristoe back to Sunday???
I don't think you can let him start midweek against anyone w a pulse. Those games matter too!! I hate it. But we can't risk it.
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I was supportive of Lemonis starting Cerantola both last week and today. But he’s had his chances and it’s time for him to work on his issues on the side or during the midweek. I do hope we can develop him and he can help us somewhere in May and June. He makes us so much better if he is effective.
Assuming it’s McLeod and then Bednar, Sunday would have to be Harding, Brandon Smith, or Fristoe. I could live with any of the three. Hopefully McLeod and Bednar can give us 6 or 7 innings, and Sunday we will have plenty of arms.
The COVID waiver and the 5 round draft have helped everyone’s pitching depth. So scoring is going to be an issue for everyone.
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
I don't think you can let him start midweek against anyone w a pulse. Those games matter too!! I hate it. But we can't risk it.
I think you can. If he is on his game, he can give you 5 innings and build some confidence. If not, you can pull him very early and we can still win it.
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Originally Posted by
somebodyshotmypaw
I was supportive of Lemonis starting Cerantola both last week and today. But he’s had his chances and it’s time for him to work on his issues on the side or during the midweek. I do hope we can develop him and he can help us somewhere in May and June. He makes us so much better if he is effective.
Assuming it’s McLeod and then Bednar, Sunday would have to be Harding, Brandon Smith, or Fristoe. I could live with any of the three. Hopefully McLeod and Bednar can give us 6 or 7 innings, and Sunday we will have plenty of arms.
The COVID waiver and the 5 round draft have helped everyone’s pitching depth. So scoring is going to be an issue for everyone.
I think Brandon Smith is too valuable out of the pen. I think you have to go Fristoe or Harding on Sunday. Very tough call, but I think I lean Harding slightly on Sunday with Fristoe and Stinnett behind him.
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Originally Posted by
somebodyshotmypaw
I think you can. If he is on his game, he can give you 5 innings and build some confidence. If not, you can pull him very early and we can still win it.
I'd let him throw bullpens and pitch live to our hitters during the week. And/or let him work out of the pen on a midweek game if we have a big lead. He looked good in the SECT and CWS out of the pen.
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