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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
If Leach had lived I would have loved to have seen a year by year comparison. I'm 99% sure Leach would have outperformed him. He was well on his way to doing so.
It would have been great to see him last through the Parson years.
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Originally Posted by
BlackSailsDawg
It would have been great to see him last through the Parson years.
Oh absolutely! It's a tragedy for us. It really is.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Leach's offense in year two and three was better than Dan's in year two and three if we want an apples to apples comparison. Dan didn't even crack 30 PPG until 2014. Leach did that in year three.
That's true for 2011 but disagree on 2010. Also 2010-2011 the SEC west was exponentially more difficult than 2021-2022. We also had our QB hurt / missing games in 2011. Even had to go to QB3 at one point. So year three comparisons are hard to say are apple to apple too.
Offenses in general are scoring more today than 10 years ago too. 42 teams scored 30 or more points per game in 2010-2011. 52 teams did last year and 54 this year. In fact it's kind of interesting to look at points from 2000-2009, the 2010-2011 bump then it's been over 50 teams ever year since (sometimes nearly half of all D1 teams avg 30 or more)
So in rankings we were 48th in 2010 and 60th in 2021 while scoring the same points per game. You either have to come down that 2010 was an actual better offense because of the rankings of the time or they were equal.
Last edited by Really Clark?; 01-09-2023 at 06:14 AM.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
Regardless- the pure Air Raid died with Leach. Our offense is going to change
I agree with that
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
These morons trying to make fun of Mullen’s offense is baffling to me. We were better on offense under Mullen than we ever were under Leach
Well Dan had way better qb fits for his system. I mean one is on track to be a borderline hall of famer with the numbers he is putting up in the nfl
The truth is, both systems have us around 7 wins on average and can peak to 10-ish wins with an nfl qb.
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Originally Posted by
confucius say
Well Dan had way better qb fits for his system. I mean one is on track to be a borderline hall of famer with the numbers he is putting up in the nfl
The truth is, both systems have us around 7 wins on average and can peak to 10-ish wins with an nfl qb.
Dan got those fits pre-portal age. Can't really use no qb fit as an excuse 3 years in present day CFB
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Leach was making adjustments. He recognized a mobile QB is needed. Parson signing and the offer to Trey Petty make it clear.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Dan got those fits pre-portal age. Can't really use no qb fit as an excuse 3 years in present day CFB
I'm simply talking about which system is more effective here. Not defending leach's qb recruiting.
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Originally Posted by
BuckyIsAB****
I said I wasnt gonna do it but I cant help myself. Four verticals is not madden four verticals for you air raid geniuses. It can turn out to be a number of different routes off of one concept. It is not four guys run deep and ill throw it to you. It is not four fade routes. It all depends on what the defense does.
This is true. The four receivers head straight out but can turn to open grass or stop when they are open. That's the way I understand it.
Anyway, I think the offensive linemen already here were not necessarily Leach's type. As he brings in his guys and they gain experience several years in the air raid, the QB will be able to hold the ball longer and throw further down field.
We had to shift several guys around this year on the OL. I look forward to seeing what Percy Lewis does in 2023 at LT.
That's my thinking anyway.
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Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
That's true for 2011 but disagree on 2010. Also 2010-2011 the SEC west was exponentially more difficult than 2021-2022. We also had our QB hurt / missing games in 2011. Even had to go to QB3 at one point. So year three comparisons are hard to say are apple to apple too.
Offenses in general are scoring more today than 10 years ago too. 42 teams scored 30 or more points per game in 2010-2011. 52 teams did last year and 54 this year. In fact it's kind of interesting to look at points from 2000-2009, the 2010-2011 bump then it's been over 50 teams ever year since (sometimes nearly half of all D1 teams avg 30 or more)
So in rankings we were 48th in 2010 and 60th in 2021 while scoring the same points per game. You either have to come down that 2010 was an actual better offense because of the rankings of the time or they were equal.
Our schedule this year was more brutal than it typically is. This year and 2010 were essentially the same season to me.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Our schedule this year was more brutal than it typically is. This year and 2010 were essentially the same season to me.
Can't agree with that. 2010 we played 4 teams ranked in the Top 12 and they were all in the SEC West and our only losses in 2010. We played 3 Top 16 teams this year.
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Originally Posted by
BlackSailsDawg
Oh I could point out that in year 3 that Leach scored 10 TDs more while having 600 plus more yards and a tougher schedule. Or that we had 9 INTs for each of the past 2 years while under Mullen we had more but threw it way less.
And I could point out that they didnt start at the same points. Mullen took over a program with very little offensive talent and a QB room of Relf and Tyson Lee. There was no portal for Mullen to quickly insert talent. But I'm happy to talk about how Mullen averaged over 30 PPG his last 4 seasons at State as well as 29 PPG or more in 7 of 9 seasons
Last edited by Coach34; 01-09-2023 at 10:35 AM.
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Our schedule this year was more brutal than it typically is. This year and 2010 were essentially the same season to me.
2010 Final rankings:
1st- Auburn
8th- LSU
10th- Bama
12th- UPig
2013:
2nd- Auburn
4th- South Carolina
7th- Bama
14th- LSU
2018:
2nd- Bama
6th- LSU
7th- Florida
12th- Kentucky
Last edited by Coach34; 01-09-2023 at 10:43 AM.
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
2010 Final rankings:
1st- Auburn
8th- LSU
10th- Bama
12th- UPig
2013:
2nd- Auburn
4th- South Carolina
7th- Bama
14th- LSU
2011:
1st - Bama
2nd - LSU
5th - Arkansas
9th - USCe
19th - Georgia
With a hurt QB1 who didn't play at all vs USCe and Arkansas
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All of that is subjective to who each of those teams played. LSU in 2010 played Vandy, Tennessee, (both horrible teams) along with UF (who wasn't ranked), Ole Miss (4 wins), NC, WV, McNeese, La Monroe. That's 8 wins of their 10 regular season wins. MSU is their 9th win.
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Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
Can't agree with that. 2010 we played 4 teams ranked in the Top 12 and they were all in the SEC West and our only losses in 2010. We played 3 Top 16 teams this year.
Yea but OM was light years better this year than 2010. And KY was better this year.
Plus we didn't have to play a P5 noncon in 2010.
Very little difference in 2010 and 2022, if any.
Last edited by confucius say; 01-09-2023 at 11:18 AM.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
And I could point out that they didnt start at the same points. Mullen took over a program with very little offensive talent and a QB room of Relf and Tyson Lee. There was no portal for Mullen to quickly insert talent. But I'm happy to talk about how Mullen averaged over 30 PPG his last 4 seasons at State as well as 29 PPG or more in 7 of 9 seasons
All the more reason I never understood why you repeatedly argued with me those last 4 seasons that you didn't want him to be our coach anymore and we were better off without him.
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Originally Posted by
BlackSailsDawg
All of that is subjective to who each of those teams played. LSU in 2010 played Vandy, Tennessee, (both horrible teams) along with UF (who wasn't ranked), Ole Miss (4 wins), NC, WV, McNeese, La Monroe. That's 8 wins of their 10 regular season wins. MSU is their 9th win.
Well they beat # 10 Bama, #15 Us, # 19 TAM (bowl game), 8 win NC, 9 win WV. In 2010 the only loss anybody of the Top 5 teams of SEC West had was against each other except #10 Bama losing to #22 USCe
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Originally Posted by
confucius say
Yea but OM was light years better this year than 2010. And KY was better this year.
So, this years OM and Kentucky are not better than the 4 teams that ahead of us in 2010. We finished 15th. That's 5 teams in the SEC west that finished Top 15. SEC West top 5 teams only lost too SEC west Top 5 teams in 2010, except Bama's loss to USCe. 2010-2011 is historically considered the strongest competition for one division of a conference. You are hard pressed to even find comparable team strength in one conference much less in 1 division of a conference
Last edited by Really Clark?; 01-09-2023 at 11:23 AM.
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01-09-2023, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
Well they beat # 10 Bama, #15 Us, # 19 TAM (bowl game), 8 win NC, 9 win WV. In 2010 the only loss anybody of the Top 5 teams of SEC West had was against each other except #10 Bama losing to #22 USCe
Again that is subjective. Take WV. They had to win 2 of those games to marshall and Ucon in OT. It's easy to say they won "x" amount of games, but against who and what conference were they in.
NC.. their 8 wins were from Rutgers, EC, barely beat a 6 win Clemson, a 4 win Va, William and Mary, a 3 win duke, and OT win over a 6 win Tn team. Their lone quality win was against FSU where FSU missed a game winning FG.
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