The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[dawgs]

Ignoring the false talking point about getting rid of the pandemic response capabilities, if you want to take into account Obama's experience with the Swine Flu and assumign he'd learn, that's probably a good argument. I was talking more about facing a new, unprecedented situation. Based on their demonstrated competence at things like rolling out Obamacare, I wouldn't want them on their first crack at a pandemic with one like this but giving them the benefit of what utlimatley woudl look like a dry run, they hopefully would be better. Again, probably wouldn't make a huge difference as a lot of the responsibility lies with non-political appointees, but maybe marginally better.

But the thing is it's not a false narrative (even Fauci has said he wishes the team was in place), he learned, he put a team in place, he left that for every successive president, I'm sure trump was briefed on pandemic responses in the transition just like happens with every transition, and he decided it wasn't a real threat and worth the $$, so he cut it because somehow we've been at a point where "no government spending and tax cuts" constitutes a valid political position and receives praise. It shows no critical thinking at all because folks just wanna cut shit without knowing what that actually entails. I hope this ordeal wakes people up that parrot those lines as their politics.

The CDC handles studying and researching the virus itself, treatments and vaccines, not the logistics of ramping up emergency testing, emergency hospitals, supply chains for basic healthcare needs like masks and gloves, etc. we are doing it on the fly now and with a hodgepodge of plans of various effectiveness in different states that's going to be a problem in the short term (long term when things are stabilized, more localized plans make sense, but we are months from that). Fema handles natural disasters. The logistics handling a hurricane or earthquake aftermath ain't like handling a pandemic. So kindly stop peddling you "false narrative" false narrative about there being no loss of capabilities by cutting the team in charge of planning for and ensuring our capabilities. Of course they wouldn't have "prevented" anything. They would probably make some mistakes too, but it's better than what we have now where all we've done is make mistakes.

[Johnson85]

But that's the thing, he learned, he put a team in place, he left that for every successive president, I'm sure trump was briefed on pandemic responses in the transition just like happens with every transition, and he decided it wasn't a real threat and worth the $$, so he cut it because somehow we've been at a point where "no government spending and tax cuts" constitutes a valid political position and receives praise. It shows no critical thinking at all because folks just wanna cut shit without knowing what that actually entails. I hope this ordeal wakes people up that parrot those lines as their politics.

He reorganized. That's not the same thing as cutting. The NSC isn't supposed to house all of your government response capabilities.

[BrunswickDawg]

He reorganized. That's not the same thing as cutting. The NSC isn't supposed to house all of your government response capabilities.

That may be true - but what Obama did was take all of those parts spread between different agencies and elevate them in a single unit and put them at level where their warnings and capabilities would be recognized more easily by the real decision makers. What he did isn't very different then what B43 did to create DHS in the wake of 9/11. B43 recognized that having multiple units the way did allowed intel to get lost because agencies didn't share. Obama learned similar lessons from the 2 epidemics we didn't manage well. Fact is Bolton is more responsible probably than anyone in not recognizing why this was done and what could be at stake - he is the one that undid it.

[dawgs]

He reorganized. That's not the same thing as cutting. The NSC isn't supposed to house all of your government response capabilities.

Where did he reassign the team to report?

[Johnson85]

But the thing is it's not a false narrative (even Fauci has said he wishes the team was in place), he learned, he put a team in place, he left that for every successive president, I'm sure trump was briefed on pandemic responses in the transition just like happens with every transition, and he decided it wasn't a real threat and worth the $$, so he cut it because somehow we've been at a point where "no government spending and tax cuts" constitutes a valid political position and receives praise. It shows no critical thinking at all because folks just wanna cut shit without knowing what that actually entails. I hope this ordeal wakes people up that parrot those lines as their politics.

The CDC handles studying and researching the virus itself, treatments and vaccines, not the logistics of ramping up emergency testing, emergency hospitals, supply chains for basic healthcare needs like masks and gloves, etc. we are doing it on the fly now and with a hodgepodge of plans of various effectiveness in different states that's going to be a problem in the short term (long term when things are stabilized, more localized plans make sense, but we are months from that). Fema handles natural disasters. The logistics handling a hurricane or earthquake aftermath ain't like handling a pandemic. So kindly stop peddling you "false narrative" false narrative about there being no loss of capabilities by cutting the team in charge of planning for and ensuring our capabilities. Of course they wouldn't have "prevented" anything. They would probably make some mistakes too, but it's better than what we have now where all we've done is make mistakes.

He did the same thing as the two presidents before him, which was move it from having the head of it as a directorate role to having the head of the pandemic response team report to a directorate. It doesn't really matter as long as the people running it are competent. I do suspect the last three presidents will be the last three to remove it as a directorate role for a long time.

[PMDawg]

But the thing is it's not a false narrative (even Fauci has said he wishes the team was in place), he learned, he put a team in place, he left that for every successive president, I'm sure trump was briefed on pandemic responses in the transition just like happens with every transition, and he decided it wasn't a real threat and worth the $$, so he cut it because somehow we've been at a point where "no government spending and tax cuts" constitutes a valid political position and receives praise. It shows no critical thinking at all because folks just wanna cut shit without knowing what that actually entails. I hope this ordeal wakes people up that parrot those lines as their politics.

The CDC handles studying and researching the virus itself, treatments and vaccines, not the logistics of ramping up emergency testing, emergency hospitals, supply chains for basic healthcare needs like masks and gloves, etc. we are doing it on the fly now and with a hodgepodge of plans of various effectiveness in different states that's going to be a problem in the short term (long term when things are stabilized, more localized plans make sense, but we are months from that). Fema handles natural disasters. The logistics handling a hurricane or earthquake aftermath ain't like handling a pandemic. So kindly stop peddling you "false narrative" false narrative about there being no loss of capabilities by cutting the team in charge of planning for and ensuring our capabilities. Of course they wouldn't have "prevented" anything. They would probably make some mistakes too, but it's better than what we have now where all we've done is make mistakes.

Look, if you're a liberal, you'll blame Trump. If you're a Conservative, you won't. And you'll repeat any lie or made up bit of information necessary to "prove" your side.

[dawgs]

Look, if you're a liberal, you'll blame Trump. If you're a Conservative, you won't. And you'll repeat any lie or made up bit of information necessary to "prove" your side.

Why didn't he answer the question when asked why he cut the pandemic response team and explain how the same team was just moved to a different agency or reports to someone else is the of acting like he had no idea what people were talking about? Why has Fauci stated he'd love it if the pandemic response team was still around because they worked well together? Think critically for a ****ing minute.

[PMDawg]

Why didn't he answer the question when asked why he cut the pandemic response team and explain how the same team was just moved to a different agency or reports to someone else is the of acting like he had no idea what people were talking about? Why has Fauci stated he'd love it if the pandemic response team was still around because they worked well together? Think critically for a ****ing minute.

I think critically all day every day. It's what I do for a living. I don't need some dumb ass with half my brain power telling me how to think. Now, get back to proselytizing for your religion little man.

[Johnson85]

Why didn't he answer the question when asked why he cut the pandemic response team and explain how the same team was just moved to a different agency or reports to someone else is the of acting like he had no idea what people were talking about? Why has Fauci stated he'd love it if the pandemic response team was still around because they worked well together? Think critically for a ****ing minute.

He probably really didn't know what people were talking about. There was a consensus that the NSC ballooning from 100 to 400 was a mistake and it was too big. I'd guess Bolton presented the reorg to him, and he looked, saw it had nothing to do with trade/immigration/China/Mexico or his image and he said great and went back to tweeting.