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  1. 07-02-2020, 10:15 PM #1
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    Sherman was a SOB...No matter who?s side he was on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked View Post
    Sherman was a SOB...No matter who?s side he was on.
    No, not really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardoMSU View Post
    No, not really.
    This is one of those "ever who wins ends up on the right side of history type thingies"....

    It's my understanding that Sherman made war so brutal in an effort to end it sooner...

    And, as a former Marine, I can totally dig it... That being said, an "SOB" is an "SOB", regardless of what side of history one is on, IMO...

    However, if one's conscious is clear, I say "light em up".....
    "It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TUSK View Post
    This is one of those "ever who wins ends up on the right side of history type thingies"....

    It's my understanding that Sherman made war so brutal in an effort to end it sooner...

    And, as a former Marine, I can totally dig it... That being said, an "SOB" is an "SOB", regardless of what side of history one is on, IMO...

    However, if one's conscious is clear, I say "light em up".....
    I suppose you're right here, given that just about every successful military commander was probably a giant SOB, ex. Patton, Teddy, Eisenhower, MacAuthur, Grant, et al.

    To your other point about "who wins the war", there's a really good documentary from 2003 titled "The Fog of War", which focuses on Robert S. McNamara, and his service as Sec. of Defense. In the doc he talks about how if the US had ended up losing WWII we would've most likely been brought up on war crimes for our fire bombing of Japanese civilians, which we were doing in droves prior to dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardoMSU View Post
    I suppose you're right here, given that just about every successful military commander was probably a giant SOB, ex. Patton, Teddy, Eisenhower, MacAuthur, Grant, et al.

    To your other point about "who wins the war", there's a really good documentary from 2003 titled "The Fog of War", which focuses on Robert S. McNamara, and his service as Sec. of Defense. In the doc he talks about how if the US had ended up losing WWII we would've most likely been brought up on war crimes for our fire bombing of Japanese civilians, which we were doing in droves prior to dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
    Saw it... it was outstanding.

    The US went all "Sherman" on the Axis... the US actually "spared" Hiroshima and Nagasaki from the incendiary ordnance (as I understand) so we could gauge the effectiveness of atomic weapons...

    ETA: were "incendiaries" outlawed in 1944ish??? I thought that happened later... not that it really matters...

    when assholes are assholes; refer to my "light em up" quote...
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    "It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked View Post
    Sherman was a SOB...No matter who?s side he was on.
    He sho was.
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