Atlanta has little to no police presence now

[TUSK]

This is going to take a while because of how far back it goes and your lack of knowledge.


First to address your "points". The author of the study says, there is a "inherent bias against blacks by police". So your argument is with her not me. If it has nothing to do with skin color the why did she use the word "Black"? It is a race issue. That's why it's a bias.

High crime areas are poor areas. Poverty is what drives Crime. Look at the increased crime rate in Appalachia since the mining industry shut down. That region went from a very low crime area, to a high crime and drug use area. Do you think it's the inner city ghetto moving to Appalachia?



TL;DR Yes, it does. The system was made to keep blacks poor.

Do some research into how much more policing is done in Black communities that in white, How much more often Blacks are pulled over for minor traffic offenses than white. Read about the black codes, what they are, and why. Learn about the impact of economics and the crime rate. Read about redlining and how that affects the economics, schooling, and poverty rate of an area.

Let's begin.

It dates back to Slavery, and is even encoded into the 13th amendment. See the 13th has a slavery loophole. It allows for Slave labor for those in prison.

So in 1866, one year after the 13th Amendment was ratified (the amendment that ended slavery), Alabama, Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Georgia, Mississippi, Florida, Tennessee, and South Carolina began to lease out convicts for labor (peonage). This made the business of arresting Blacks very lucrative, which is why hundreds of White men were hired by these states as police officers. Their primary responsibility was to search out and arrest Blacks who were in violation of Black Codes. Once arrested, these men, women and children would be leased to plantations where they would harvest cotton, tobacco, sugar cane. Or they would be leased to work at coal mines, or railroad companies. The owners of these businesses would pay the state for every prisoner who worked for them; prison labor.

After the passing of the 13th Amendment, more than 800,000 Blacks were part of the system of peonage, or re-enslavement through the prison system. Peonage didn?t end until after World War II began, around 1940.

This is how it happened.

The 13th Amendment declared that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." (Ratified in 1865)

Did you catch that? It says, ?neither slavery nor involuntary servitude could occur except as a punishment for a crime". Lawmakers used this phrase to make petty offenses crimes. When Blacks were found guilty of committing these crimes, they were imprisoned and then leased out to the same businesses that lost slaves after the passing of the 13th Amendment. This system of convict labor is called peonage.

The majority of White Southern farmers and business owners hated the 13th Amendment because it took away slave labor. As a way to appease them, the federal government turned a blind eye when southern states used this clause in the 13th Amendment to establish laws called Black Codes. Mississippi was the first state to pass Black Codes. Here are some examples of Black Codes:

In Mississippi, "An Act to confer Civil Rights on Freedmen". This law allowed Blacks to rent land only within cities?effectively preventing them from earning money through independent farming. It required Blacks to present, each January, written proof of employment.
Whites could avoid the code's penalty by swearing a pauper's oath. In the case of blacks, however: "the duty of the sheriff of the proper county to hire out said freedman, free negro or mulatto, to any person who will, for the shortest period of service, pay said fine or forfeiture and all costs." The laws also levied a special tax on blacks (between ages 18 and 60); those who did not pay could be arrested for vagrancy. (FYI the top wage in MS for farm labor was less then $2/week)

In Louisiana, it was illegal for a Black man to preach to Black congregations without special permission in writing from the president of the police. If caught, he could be arrested and fined. If he could not pay the fines, which were unbelievably high, he would be forced to work for an individual, or go to jail or prison where he would work until his debt was paid off.

If a Black person did not have a job, he or she could be arrested and imprisoned on the charge of vagrancy or loitering.

This next Black Code will make you cringe. In South Carolina, if the parent of a Black child was considered vagrant, the judicial system allowed the police and/or other government agencies to ?apprentice? the child to an "employer". Males could be held until the age of 21, and females could be held until they were 18. Their owner had the legal right to inflict punishment on the child for disobedience, and to recapture them if they ran away.
This (peonage) is an example of systemic racism - Racism established and perpetuated by government systems. Slavery was made legal by the U.S. Government. Segregation, Black Codes, Jim Crow and peonage were all made legal by the government, and upheld by the judicial system. These acts of racism were built into the system, which is where the term ?Systemic Racism? is derived.

This is the part of "Black History" that most of us were never told about.















Remember Redlining?

Violent crime rates in Appalachia aren't nearly what that are in poor urban areas... not close. It's more dope, theft, fraud, and the like.

If violent crime was caused by poverty Appalachia would be a Killing Field.... Like Chiraq, for example...

[Extendedcab]

Violent crime rates in Appalachia aren't nearly what that are in poor urban areas... not close. It's more dope, theft, fraud, and the like.

If violent crime was caused by poverty Appalachia would be a Killing Field.... Like Chiraq, for example...

Other causes are the breakdown of the family, single parent homes where gangs are filling the role of father - like father like son and the lack of morality as the bible is not taught at home nor in the schools - since the 1960s that is.

I aso, like my extended family, grew up very poor in rural Mississippi and we were not gang members, thugs, robbers, murderers or other such criminals. Poverty is an excuse the liberals like to use to justify wealth redistribution - more government programs that are not sustainable and that rob a man of his self esteem. No need to work low income jobs (due to no education or professional skills) when the government will give you the same amount of money to sit on your butt.

All of the stats Sheldon shows focus only on the symptoms and not the root cause.

[SheltonChoked]

Other causes are the breakdown of the family, single parent homes where gangs are filling the role of father - like father like son and the lack of morality as the bible is not taught at home nor in the schools - since the 1960s that is.

I aso, like my extended family, grew up very poor in rural Mississippi and we were not gang members, thugs, robbers, murderers or other such criminals. Poverty is an excuse the liberals like to use to justify wealth redistribution - more government programs that are not sustainable and that rob a man of his self esteem. No need to work low income jobs (due to no education or professional skills) when the government will give you the same amount of money to sit on your butt.

All of the stats Sheldon shows focus only on the symptoms and not the root cause.

You missed the whole fcuking point.

I knew you would. Your self worth depends on it.

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You missed the whole fcuking point.

I knew you would. Your self worth depends on it.

I did not miss anything, you never hold the individual accountable for their own actions, you assume, wrongly, that it is societies fault for all of the evils in a person's life, their poor decisions, including making a particular person poor or making him a drug addict. The individual has choices but you do not see that. I hold the individual responsible and you think white people did it and that government is the answer and that it takes a community to raise a child.

I see a person from the inside out, what kind of character they have in their heart and you look only at external factors, that they are poor and too stupid to get out of their situation so the government MUST bail them out. We have been bailing them our for multiple generations but yet you want to make the same old dumb ass mistakes that have been made for 50+ years!

And now poor is just not enough but you are defining a new term, like liberals like to do when you call them on their dumb ass idea, extremely poor! You don't realize that when I grew up we were the VERY POOR! And guess what, we pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps, we did not depend on government handouts.

But you sound just like Obama, the government made the money we have and the individual had nothing to do with it. It was not not our ideas, our hard work, our doing without, our sacrificing, our businesses - it was all given to us by the government!

[SheltonChoked]

I did not miss anything, you never hold the individual accountable for their own actions, you assume, wrongly, that it is societies fault for all of the evils in a person's life, their poor decisions, including making a particular person poor or making him a drug addict. The individual has choices but you do not see that. I hold the individual responsible and you think white people did it and that government is the answer and that it takes a community to raise a child.

I see a person from the inside out, what kind of character they have in their heart and you look only at external factors, that they are poor and too stupid to get out of their situation so the government MUST bail them out. We have been bailing them our for multiple generations but yet you want to make the same old dumb ass mistakes that have been made for 50+ years!

And now poor is just not enough but you are defining a new term, like liberals like to do when you call them on their dumb ass idea, extremely poor! You don't realize that when I grew up we were the VERY POOR! And guess what, we pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps, we did not depend on government handouts.

But you sound just like Obama, the government made the money we have and the individual had nothing to do with it. It was not not our ideas, our hard work, our doing without, our sacrificing, our businesses - it was all given to us by the government!

There is some "individual accountability", but you seem to either be ignorant of or different to, that there is a system designed to cut the knees off black people in the USA. Only since the 1960's has that system begun to be changed to a level playing field. For a brief time during Reconstruction, the field was level and Blacks were able to be successful. Then the KKK and other like groups began Lynching by the 1,000's and passing Jim Crow laws to, per MS Governor James Vardaman "keep the ******s in their place".

You seem to be ignorant of how Whites got government handouts. Blacks were excluded from the GI Bill post WWI until the 1960's. The GI Bill allowed 7.8 million white WWII soldiers to go to college. Blacks were not allowed to use government backed loans to buy houses. Remember the Ayers Case? Blacks were rejected admission to MSU, USM, and Ole Miss, due to being Black. There are literally hundreds of other examples.

You are projecting. I see individuals as individuals. But if what you say is right, why the vast white black wealth gap?

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There is some "individual accountability", but you seem to either be ignorant of or different to, that there is a system designed to cut the knees off black people in the USA. Only since the 1960's has that system begun to be changed to a level playing field. For a brief time during Reconstruction, the field was level and Blacks were able to be successful. Then the KKK and other like groups began Lynching by the 1,000's and passing Jim Crow laws to, per MS Governor James Vardaman "keep the ******s in their place".

You seem to be ignorant of how Whites got government handouts. Blacks were excluded from the GI Bill post WWI until the 1960's. The GI Bill allowed 7.8 million white WWII soldiers to go to college. Blacks were not allowed to use government backed loans to buy houses. Remember the Ayers Case? Blacks were rejected admission to MSU, USM, and Ole Miss, due to being Black. There are literally hundreds of other examples.

You are projecting. I see individuals as individuals. But if what you say is right, why the vast white black wealth gap?

Why? You are blind and miss the root cause! You think the root cause is lack of opportunity when in fact it is a lack of a caring family and the handout programs of the democratic party (they were meant to be a temporary hand up but turned into a multi-generational way of life - poverty).

70%+ percent of black households (2018 statistics) are single parent - usually a mom or grandmother. Black parents, statistically speaking, are AOL and don't care about their children or instill in them self worth, or the way out of poverty is through education and hard work, not by being on a some damn government handout program or by joining a gang or selling dope. That is why there is a gap, they are low to no skilled and can't make a decent living in today's modern- technological world.

The root cause is a lack of a 2 parent home - Mother and Father - the basic building block of society.

If blacks are excluded from participating in the main fabric of our economy (education, government, commercial, industrial, sports, etc) then how in the hell did the following blacks make it? It sure in the hell was not by being on a government handout program. And also notice alot of the ones on this list were before the 1960s.

African-American Firsts: Government

Local elected official: John Mercer Langston, 1855, town clerk of Brownhelm Township, Ohio.
State elected official: Alexander Lucius Twilight, 1836, the Vermont legislature.
Mayor of major city: Carl Stokes, Cleveland, Ohio, 1967–1971. The first black woman to serve as a mayor of a major U.S. city was Sharon Pratt Dixon Kelly, Washington, DC, 1991–1995.
Governor (appointed): P.B.S. Pinchback served as governor of Louisiana from Dec. 9, 1872–Jan. 13, 1873, during impeachment proceedings against the elected governor.
Governor (elected): L. Douglas Wilder, Virginia, 1990–1994. The only other elected black governor has been Deval Patrick, Massachusetts, 2007–2015
U.S. Representative: Joseph Rainey became a Congressman from South Carolina in 1870 and was reelected four more times. The first black female U.S. Representative was Shirley Chisholm, Congresswoman from New York, 1969–1983.
U.S. Senator: Hiram Revels became Senator from Mississippi from Feb. 25, 1870, to March 4, 1871, during Reconstruction. Edward Brooke became the first African-American Senator since Reconstruction, 1966–1979. Carol Mosely Braun became the first black woman Senator serving from 1992–1998 for the state of Illinois. (There have only been a total of five black senators in U.S. history: the remaining two are Blanche K. Bruce [1875–1881] and Barack Obama (2005–2008).
U.S. cabinet member: Robert C. Weaver, 1966–1968, Secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development under Lyndon Johnson; the first black female cabinet minister was Patricia Harris, 1977, Secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development under Jimmy Carter.
U.S. Secretary of State: Gen. Colin Powell, 2001–2004. The first black female Secretary of State was Condoleezza Rice, 2005–2009.
Major Party Nominee for President: Sen. Barack Obama, 2008. The Democratic Party selected him as its presidential nominee.
U.S. President: Sen. Barack Obama. Obama defeated Sen. John McCain in the general election on November 4, 2008, and was inaugurated as the 44th president of the United States on January 20, 2009.
U.S. First Lady: Michelle Obama became the nation's first black First Lady when her husband, Barack Obama, defeated Sen. John McCain in the general election on November 4, 2008.
First African-American Republican woman to serve in the House: Ludmya Bourdeau "Mia" Love won her race in Utah in the 2014 midterm elections.

African-American Firsts: Law

Editor, Harvard Law Review: Charles Hamilton Houston, 1919. Barack Obama became the first President of the Harvard Law Review.
Federal Judge: William Henry Hastie, 1946; Constance Baker Motley became the first black woman federal judge, 1966.
U.S. Supreme Court Justice: Thurgood Marshall, 1967–1991. Clarence Thomas became the second African American to serve on the Court in 1991.

African-American Firsts: Diplomacy

U.S. diplomat: Ebenezer D. Bassett, 1869, became minister-resident to Haiti; Patricia Harris became the first black female ambassador (1965; Luxembourg).
U.S. Representative to the UN: Andrew Young (1977–1979).
Nobel Peace Prize winner: Ralph J. Bunche received the prize in 1950 for mediating the Arab-Israeli truce. Martin Luther King, Jr., became the second African-American Peace Prize winner in 1964. (See King's Nobel acceptance speech.)

African-American Firsts: Military

Combat pilot: Georgia-born Eugene Jacques Bullard, 1917, denied entry into the U.S. Army Air Corps because of his race, served throughout World War I in the French Flying Corps. He received the Legion of Honor, France's highest honor, among many other decorations.
First Congressional Medal of Honor winner: Sgt. William H. Carney for bravery during the Civil War. He received his Congressional Medal of Honor in 1900.
General: Benjamin O. Davis, Sr., 1940–1948.
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff: Colin Powell, 1989–1993.

African-American Firsts: Science and Medicine

First patent holder: Thomas L. Jennings, 1821, for a dry-cleaning process. Sarah E. Goode, 1885, became the first African-American woman to receive a patent, for a bed that folded up into a cabinet.
M.D. degree: James McCune Smith, 1837, University of Glasgow; Rebecca Lee Crumpler became the first black woman to receive an M.D. degree. She graduated from the New England Female Medical College in 1864.
Inventor of the blood bank: Dr. Charles Drew, 1940.
Heart surgery pioneer: Daniel Hale Williams, 1893.
First astronaut: Robert H. Lawrence, Jr., 1967, was the first black astronaut, but he died in a plane crash during a training flight and never made it into space. Guion Bluford, 1983, became the first black astronaut to travel in space; Mae Jemison, 1992, became the first black female astronaut. Frederick D. Gregory, 1998, was the first African-American shuttle commander.

African-American Firsts: Scholarship

College graduate (B.A.): Alexander Lucius Twilight, 1823, Middlebury College; first black woman to receive a B.A. degree: Mary Jane Patterson, 1862, Oberlin College.
Ph.D.: Edward A. Bouchet, 1876, received a Ph.D. from Yale University. In 1921, three individuals became the first U.S. black women to earn Ph.D.s: Georgiana Simpson, University of Chicago; Sadie Tanner Mossell Alexander, University of Pennsylvania; and Eva Beatrice Dykes, Radcliffe College.
Rhodes Scholar: Alain L. Locke, 1907.
College president: Daniel A. Payne, 1856, Wilberforce University, Ohio.
Ivy League president: Ruth Simmons, 2001, Brown University.
See also Milestones in Black Education.

African-American Firsts: Literature

Novelist: Harriet Wilson, Our Nig (1859).
Poet: Lucy Terry, 1746, "Bar's Fight." It is her only surviving poem.
Poet (published): Phillis Wheatley, 1773, Poems on Various Subjects, Religious and Moral. Considered the founder of African-American literature.
Pulitzer Prize winner: Gwendolyn Brooks, 1950, won the Pulitzer Prize in poetry.
Pulitzer Prize winner in Drama: Charles Gordone, 1970, for his play No Place To Be Somebody.
Nobel Prize for Literature winner: Toni Morrison, 1993.
Poet Laureate: Robert Hayden, 1976–1978; first black woman Poet Laureate: Rita Dove, 1993–1995.

African-American Firsts: Music and Dance

Member of the New York City Opera: Todd Duncan, 1945.
Member of the Metropolitan Opera Company: Marian Anderson, 1955.
Male Grammy Award winner: Count Basie, 1958.
Female Grammy Award winner: Ella Fitzgerald, 1958.
Principal dancer in a major dance company: Arthur Mitchell, 1959, New York City Ballet.

African-American Firsts: Film

First Oscar: Hattie McDaniel, 1940, supporting actress, Gone with the Wind.
Oscar, Best Actor/Actress: Sidney Poitier, 1963, Lilies of the Field; Halle Berry, 2001, Monster's Ball.
Oscar, Best Actress Nominee: Dorothy Dandridge, 1954, Carmen Jones.
Film director: Oscar Micheaux, 1919, wrote, directed, and produced The Homesteader, a feature film.
Hollywood director: Gordon Parks directed and wrote The Learning Tree for Warner Brothers in 1969.

African-American Firsts: Television

Network television show host: Nat King Cole, 1956, "The Nat King Cole Show"; Oprah Winfrey became the first black woman television host in 1986, "The Oprah Winfrey Show."
Star of a network television show: Bill Cosby, 1965, "I Spy".
African-American Firsts: Sports

Major league baseball player: Jackie Robinson, 1947, Brooklyn Dodgers.
Elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame: Jackie Robinson, 1962.
NFL quarterback: Willie Thrower, 1953.
NFL football coach: Fritz Pollard, 1922–1937.
Golf champion: Tiger Woods, 1997, won the Masters golf tournament.
NHL hockey player: Willie O'Ree, 1958, Boston Bruins.1
World cycling champion: Marshall W. "Major" Taylor, 1899.
Tennis champion: Althea Gibson became the first black person to play in and win Wimbledon and the United States national tennis championship. She won both tournaments twice, in 1957 and 1958. In all, Gibson won 56 tournaments, including five Grand Slam singles events. The first black male champion was Arthur Ashe who won the 1968 U.S. Open, the 1970 Australian Open, and the 1975 Wimbledon championship.
Heavyweight boxing champion: Jack Johnson, 1908.
Olympic medalist (Summer games): George Poage, 1904, won two bronze medals in the 200 m hurdles and 400 m hurdles.
Olympic gold medalist (Summer games): John Baxter "Doc" Taylor, 1908, won a gold medal as part of the 4 x 400 m relay team.
Olympic gold medalist (Summer games; individual): DeHart Hubbard, 1924, for the long jump; the first woman was Alice Coachman, who won the high jump in 1948.
Olympic medalist (Winter games): Debi Thomas, 1988, won the bronze in figure skating.
Olympic gold medalist (Winter games): Vonetta Flowers, 2002, bobsled.
Olympic gold medalist (Winter games; individual): Shani Davis, 2006, 1,000 m speedskating.

Other African-American Firsts

Licensed Pilot: Bessie Coleman, 1921.
Millionaire: Madame C. J. Walker.
Billionaire: Robert Johnson, 2001, owner of Black Entertainment Television; Oprah Winfrey, 2003.
Portrayal on a postage stamp: Booker T. Washington, 1940 (and also 1956).
Miss America: Vanessa Williams, 1984, representing New York. When controversial photos surfaced and Williams resigned, Suzette Charles, the runner-up and also an African American, assumed the title. She represented New Jersey. Three additional African Americans have been Miss Americas: Debbye Turner (1990), Marjorie Vincent (1991), and Kimberly Aiken (1994).
Explorer, North Pole: Matthew A. Henson, 1909, accompanied Robert E. Peary on the first successful U.S. expedition to the North Pole.
Explorer, South Pole: George Gibbs, 1939–1941 accompanied Richard Byrd.
Flight around the world: Barrington Irving, 2007, from Miami Gardens, Florida, flew a Columbia 400 plane named Inspiration around the world in 96 days, 150 hours (March 23-June 27).

[SheltonChoked]

Violent crime rates in Appalachia aren't nearly what that are in poor urban areas... not close. It's more dope, theft, fraud, and the like.

If violent crime was caused by poverty Appalachia would be a Killing Field.... Like Chiraq, for example...

Severe poverty in Appalachia is a recent development, less than 20 years, and already, there is a huge Opiate drug problem. If you read the whole thing, blacks have been in severe poverty since 1866. And when they were successful, the Whites firebombed the neighborhood and slaughtered 1,000's.

So let's check back in 10 years.