Cigar Boys

[ShotgunDawg]

He had some success at TT and moderate success at WSU ...

You mean the best seasons they’ve ever had?

Pretty ridiculous that you can’t even acknowledge reality.

It was the Cigar Boy part of his post and lack effort I was calling, not whether or not Leach will win.

[FISHDAWG]

You mean the best seasons they?ve ever had?

Pretty ridiculous that you can?t even acknowledge reality.

It was the Cigar Boy part of his post and lack effort I was calling, not whether or not Leach will win.

TT and the PAC-12 aren't the SEC and I'm seeing now how PAC-12 QB's are .... I don't think he was calling for the cigar boys to start pressuring Cohen to fire leach... it was not much more than just blowing off steam - no-one in their right mind would be calling for Leach's job right now - I took it more like cynicism. I'm glad Leach gave TT / WSU their best seasons because that is the hope we cling to because we sure don't have anything in front of us to cling to right now. I think the problem is that some of us aren't sold (or never were) on this system working here and not seeing any attempt to adjust is a little discouraging.... AND THAT IS ACKNOWLEDGING REALITY

[ShotgunDawg]

TT and the PAC-12 aren't the SEC and I'm seeing now how PAC-12 QB's are .... We'll see how big of a deal this in the future. My feeling is that about 70% of our problems are due to us and a lack of execution and about 30% is due to an increase in competition for Leach's offense. Anyone thinking it's 100% of either isn't being realistic

I don't think he was calling for the cigar boys to start pressuring Cohen to fire leach...I think that's exactly what he was doing or at least trying to start something

it was not much more than just blowing off steam - no-one in their right mind would be calling for Leach's job right now Definitely blowing off steam, but went to a place that would devastating to our program. I think he was serious

- I took it more like cynicism. I'm glad Leach gave TT / WSU their best seasons because that is the hope we cling to because we sure don't have anything in front of us to cling to right now. I think the problem is that some of us aren't sold (or never were) on this system working here and not seeing any attempt to adjust is a little discouraging.... AND THAT IS ACKNOWLEDGING REALITY I get that people aren't sold. I think it'll work because I saw the same things said about Urban's offense and it worked in the SEC and I've never seen an offensive system that worked at every level of the game and then just goes to crap in the SEC. Spurrier's offense in the NFL may have been the closest.