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    How does the zone defense stop K Hill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Lambert View Post
    How does the zone defense stop K Hill?
    Exactly... In this video, WSU tries to run and cannot vs the UW front.

    And in the above link, this is a key takeaway..

    Only a week prior to the 2018 Apple Cup, Minshew threw for 7 touchdowns against the Arizona Wildcats. ?Zona also rushed 3 guys a lot but a) couldn?t get pressure and b) dropped too shallow (often because they were dropping defensive linemen).
    If we start seeing 3 man fronts, and lots of zone, we need our line to be able to get to the 2nd level, and our RB's to take advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheltonChoked View Post
    Exactly... In this video, WSU tries to run and cannot vs the UW front.

    And in the above link, this is a key takeaway..



    If we start seeing 3 man fronts, and lots of zone, we need our line to be able to get to the 2nd level, and our RB's to take advantage.


    Sorry but Arkansas isn't that Washington team and that WSU running back wasn't K Hill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Lambert View Post
    Sorry but Arkansas isn't that Washington team and that WSU running back wasn't K Hill.
    I agree. And that is my point. Arizona tried to rush 3 vs Leach and got TORCHED.

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    Let's talk some more about this idea that Washington figured Leach out, as though it's something special. So in 2016, Washington St. scored 17 points, put up 334 yards of total offense, and threw for 269 yards against Washington. Not great numbers. But Washington played 4 other ranked teams that year, and here's how those teams fared:

    #7 Stanford - 6 points, 213 yards of offense, 184 yards passing
    #17 Utah - 24 points, 376 yards of offense, 163 yards passing
    #9 Colorado - 10 points, 163 yards of offense, 81 yards passing (Pac-12 Champ Game, the game following WSU)
    #1 Bama - 24 points, 326 yards of offense, 57 yards passing (CFP Semifinal)


    2017:
    Washington State - 14 points, 345 yards of offense, 369 yards passing

    Washington played a weak schedule that year, but out of their 8 other conference games, 5 opponents scored fewer than 14, 6 put up fewer than 345 yards of offense, and 8 put up fewer than 369 yards passing.


    2018:
    Washington State - 15 points, 237 yards of offense, 152 yards passing (This was no doubt Washington's most impressive performance defensively against a very good WSU team)

    #9 Auburn - 21 points, 420 yards of offense, 273 yards passing
    #20 BYU - 7 points, 194 yards of offense, 160 yards passing
    #17 Oregon - 30 points, 379 yards of offense, 202 yards passing
    #17 Utah - 3 points, 188 yards of offense, 137 yards passing (Pac-12 Champ Game, the game following WSU)
    #5 Ohio St - 28 points, 364 yards of offense, 251 yards passing


    2019:
    Washington State - 13 points, 339 yards of offense, 308 yards passing

    #21 USC - 14 points, 375 yards of offense, 163 yards passing
    #12 Oregon - 35 points, 468 yards of offense, 280 yards passing
    #9 Utah - 33 points, 399 yards of offense, 284 yards passing
    #18 Boise St - 7 points, 266 yards of offense, 188 yards passing (Bowl game, the game following WSU)


    Let's not pretend this is some issue against Washington unique to WSU. They are consistently comparable to other ranked teams against Washington while typically being much less talented than those other ranked teams as well. So don't compare WSU's games against Washington to WSU's other games. Compare them to Washington's other games, and they're no outlier. In fact, usually Washington performs better in the following game, even against ranked teams, which seems to suggest weather plays a factor as well.

    Washington has fielded an elite defense recently. They don't just shut down WSU. They shut down everybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Let's talk some more about this idea that Washington figured Leach out, as though it's something special. So in 2016, Washington St. scored 17 points, put up 334 yards of total offense, and threw for 269 yards against Washington. Not great numbers. But Washington played 4 other ranked teams that year, and here's how those teams fared:

    #7 Stanford - 6 points, 213 yards of offense, 184 yards passing
    #17 Utah - 24 points, 376 yards of offense, 163 yards passing
    #9 Colorado - 10 points, 163 yards of offense, 81 yards passing (Pac-12 Champ Game, the game following WSU)
    #1 Bama - 24 points, 326 yards of offense, 57 yards passing (CFP Semifinal)


    2017:
    Washington State - 14 points, 345 yards of offense, 369 yards passing

    Washington played a weak schedule that year, but out of their 8 other conference games, 5 opponents scored fewer than 14, 6 put up fewer than 345 yards of offense, and 8 put up fewer than 369 yards passing.


    2018:
    Washington State - 15 points, 237 yards of offense, 152 yards passing (This was no doubt Washington's most impressive performance defensively against a very good WSU team)

    #9 Auburn - 21 points, 420 yards of offense, 273 yards passing
    #20 BYU - 7 points, 194 yards of offense, 160 yards passing
    #17 Oregon - 30 points, 379 yards of offense, 202 yards passing
    #17 Utah - 3 points, 188 yards of offense, 137 yards passing (Pac-12 Champ Game, the game following WSU)
    #5 Ohio St - 28 points, 364 yards of offense, 251 yards passing


    2019:
    Washington State - 13 points, 339 yards of offense, 308 yards passing

    #21 USC - 14 points, 375 yards of offense, 163 yards passing
    #12 Oregon - 35 points, 468 yards of offense, 280 yards passing
    #9 Utah - 33 points, 399 yards of offense, 284 yards passing
    #18 Boise St - 7 points, 266 yards of offense, 188 yards passing (Bowl game, the game following WSU)


    Let's not pretend this is some issue against Washington unique to WSU. They are consistently comparable to other ranked teams against Washington while typically being much less talented than those other ranked teams as well. So don't compare WSU's games against Washington to WSU's other games. Compare them to Washington's other games, and they're no outlier. In fact, usually Washington performs better in the following game, even against ranked teams, which seems to suggest weather plays a factor as well.

    Washington has fielded an elite defense recently. They don't just shut down WSU. They shut down everybody.
    Thanks, Smoot. Great info. Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Lambert View Post
    How does the zone defense stop K Hill?
    Well this kind of brings to my next point.

    Pelini has faced Leach twice before and the offense hasn’t changed. So why did Pelini choose to do this?
    CAN'T PUT A SADDLE ON A MUSTANG

    Quit Your Bi$&$&?!, He's Not Going to Run the Ball More

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Well this kind of brings to my next point.

    Pelini has faced Leach twice before and the offense hasn’t changed. So why did Pelini choose to do this?
    He didn't respect our receivers and thought they sucked. That's exactly what happened pure arrogance from dbu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    He didn't respect our receivers and thought they sucked. That's exactly what happened pure arrogance from dbu.
    +1
    Exactly.

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