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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Let me give you two scenarios.
1. We can fire Lemois now and lose between 6-8 million dollars all told between buyouts and paying a new staff and end up with some random mid major coach or an unproven SEC assistant.
2. We can keep Lemonis spend about 4 million dollars on buyouts and do a proper National Search and end up with a more accomplished head coach. Assuming Lemonis doesn't turn it around. Which in my mind a turnaround is very possible. Because I don't think very many MSU fans understand how abysmal Foxhall was. But let's say I'm wrong and we end up with another season like this. We still come out better in the long run because we'll have a much bigger pool to choose from and more resources. Most of our fans just don't get this for some reason.
Another year of abject mediocrity in baseball is fine by me. I'm a football guy. I really don't like baseball due some childhood issues involving my Dad trying to relive his glory years through me.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Let me give you two scenarios.
1. We can fire Lemois now and lose between 6-8 million dollars all told between buyouts and paying a new staff and end up with some random mid major coach or an unproven SEC assistant.
2. We can keep Lemonis spend about 4 million dollars on buyouts and do a proper National Search and end up with a more accomplished head coach. Assuming Lemonis doesn't turn it around. Which in my mind a turnaround is very possible. Because I don't think very many MSU fans understand how abysmal Foxhall was. But let's say I'm wrong and we end up with another season like this. We still come out better in the long run because we'll have a much bigger pool to choose from and more resources. Most of our fans just don't get this for some reason.
Totally disagree with you Todd. Lemonis isn't the answer, did you not pay attention to his on the field decisions, it's not just the last game it's been all year. We have major gaps in our lineup, we don't have much on the bench that can step up and help what I'm seeing in certain positions.
Tell me when we have ever had a so-called Elite Coach in baseball at Msu come from another school, and I wouldn't call RP when we hired him in the 70's but he was an up-and-coming young coach from a mid major.
But we shall see and I'm gonna pull for us regardless what happens. We can get the money and find a new Coach, it ain't like we need food stamps and stimulus money.
JMO
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Originally Posted by
99jc
The only thing i see is a repeat of Moorhead. Most of us with common sense could see he was a crap coach after Kentucky game....but noooo a lot of knuckleheads wanted to keep him. It wasn't until he told us to pound sand and kick rocks that he was told to exit stage left. It is DeJa'Vu all over again.
The difference is Lemonis has proven he can win in the right scenario. The question is can he build that scenario instead of using someone else?s. So far that appears to be a no, but he?s at least proven that he can win.
Moorhead had a team built to win 10 games and he couldn?t do it.
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Why would you not be able to do a national search if we fire him now? He is done. Keeping him is just delaying the inevitable.
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Originally Posted by
BuckyIsAB****
Why would you not be able to do a national search if we fire him now? He is done. Keeping him is just delaying the inevitable.
I laughed about National search as well.
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You could do a regional search and find a staff that would do better than 14th and 13th place finishes
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It's pretty well believed that the coaches of Campbell, Central Michigan, and Louisiana Tech would take our job. If we can get someone better, great, but all 3 of those would have gotten this team to a Regional this year. Probably last year too.
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Originally Posted by
basedog
I laughed about National search as well.
Yeah, what exactly is the difference between a "national" search starting say, TODAY, and a "national" search starting 365 days from today? And another thing. Just WTH is an "elite" college baseball coach? Exactly how would one define such an individual? I would argue that you really can't. Number of national championships? Number of CWS appearances? Anyway, even if it could be defined we will not get one of those. Nor would most any other school. It just does not work that way in college baseball. If you are looking for that so called "elite" coach then you are wandering around needlessly. I truly do not know or even have a strong opinion on the best route to take at this point. But if making a change is the choice of Selmon, Keenum and the few controlling the purse strings then a smart search will locate the right man for the job. And he does not have to be "elite".
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Originally Posted by
basedog
Totally disagree with you Todd. Lemonis isn't the answer, did you not pay attention to his on the field decisions, it's not just the last game it's been all year. We have major gaps in our lineup, we don't have much on the bench that can step up and help what I'm seeing in certain positions.
Tell me when we have ever had a so-called Elite Coach in baseball at Msu come from another school, and I wouldn't call RP when we hired him in the 70's but he was an up-and-coming young coach from a mid major.
But we shall see and I'm gonna pull for us regardless what happens. We can get the money and find a new Coach, it ain't like we need food stamps and stimulus money.
JMO
John Cohen 2009.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
Steve said the same thing before Kendall. Pretty much verbatim. Exact same words. Do with that what you will
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Originally Posted by
BuckyIsAB****
Why would you not be able to do a national search if we fire him now? He is done. Keeping him is just delaying the inevitable.
We're not spending 6 million to buy out our current staff plus another couple million to buy out the current contract of the new staff. Not happening.
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Originally Posted by
BuckyIsAB****
Why would you not be able to do a national search if we fire him now? He is done. Keeping him is just delaying the inevitable.
Oh we can do a national search. But we won't land the best coach we can get. And we'll lose millions more in the process to likely do the same thing over again in about five years.
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Originally Posted by
State82
Yeah, what exactly is the difference between a "national" search starting say, TODAY, and a "national" search starting 365 days from today? And another thing. Just WTH is an "elite" college baseball coach? Exactly how would one define such an individual? I would argue that you really can't. Number of national championships? Number of CWS appearances? Anyway, even if it could be defined we will not get one of those. Nor would most any other school. It just does not work that way in college baseball. If you are looking for that so called "elite" coach then you are wandering around needlessly. I truly do not know or even have a strong opinion on the best route to take at this point. But if making a change is the choice of Selmon, Keenum and the few controlling the purse strings then a smart search will locate the right man for the job. And he does not have to be "elite".
So let's throw shit against the wall and hope it sticks. Good plan.**
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
So let's throw shit against the wall and hope it sticks. Good plan.**
Isn't that what we're doing if we keep Lemonis? Fool me twice, one more chance?
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
So let's throw shit against the wall and hope it sticks. Good plan.**
Funny since this is basically the same thing as keeping Lemonis. The pitching has been beyond bad but so has almost every other aspect. Other than "recruiting" which is pretty much always in the top 10-15, what does Lemonis bring to the table next year?
He didn't even maintain Indiana. They regressed his first 3 years and finally won 40 games his 4th year. The two previous years before Lemonis was 49 wins and 44 wins.
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Originally Posted by
Quaoarsking
It's pretty well believed that the coaches of Campbell, Central Michigan, and Louisiana Tech would take our job. If we can get someone better, great, but all 3 of those would have gotten this team to a Regional this year. Probably last year too.
so would the staffs at PRCC, Jones College and ECCC
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
So let's throw shit against the wall and hope it sticks. Good plan.**
Come on, Todd. You are a knowledgeable baseball guy. Where in any of this did you come up with the fact we would be throwing shit against a wall?
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Originally Posted by
State82
Come on, Todd. You are a knowledgeable baseball guy. Where in any of this did you come up with the fact we would be throwing shit against a wall?
None of us are strong enough to pick Lemo up.
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Originally Posted by
confucius say
Steve said the same thing before Kendall. Pretty much verbatim. Exact same words. Do with that what you will
Well that means they both could be wrong. Rosy ain't in the know anymore than this hoard.
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Todd, the buyout will cost State $0. They have people willing to cover that. They simply don't want to do it. Stop slobbing on the Lemonis knob. The guy sucks!
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