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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
On one hand I feel bad because I think if Moorhead had nipped his BS in the bud he would have been better off as a player. Same with Willie Gay. I also think I saw where Kylin had someone pass away that helped keep him grounded a couple of years ago.
That said- he should know how to act and if the rumors about him going off on his teammates and Leach are true he can hit the road. I'm tired of watching entitled college football player like Kylin, Gay, Dantzler, Lovett, and Jarrian Jones play for MSU. That primadonna attitude is not what we are about at MSU. And they can go somewhere else to act like that. Respect my opinion.**
What is your beef with Dantzler? Because he sat out a meaningless bowl game?
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Originally Posted by
Mathiston
What is your beef with Dantzler? Because he sat out a meaningless bowl game?
And about three other games.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
And about three other games.
Agreed Todd. And he was no shut down player when he did decide to enter the game.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
And about three other games.
Agree. I think Kylin is the last of the cancers. Sucks that many of the cancers were good players, but it is what it is.
Joe destroyed the program and what we're seeing with Kylin is exactly the reason he was fired
CAN'T PUT A SADDLE ON A MUSTANG
Quit Your Bi$&$&?!, He's Not Going to Run the Ball More
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Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
Agree. I think Kylin is the last of the cancers. Sucks that many of the cancers were good players, but it is what it is.
Joe destroyed the program and what we're seeing with Kylin is exactly the reason he was fired
I'm not sure if he is the last of the cancers or not- but I would imagine that any that are left have gotten the message to straighten up if they want to play.
Right now we're paying for Dan's JUCO heavy recruiting with out of whack numbers in 2016-2017 and as you said Joe's discipline which destroyed Dan's culture. I've railed Hevesy and Billy Gonzalez a lot but Joe is the main problem that we have had to fix right now. Kudos to Erroll Thompson- that's what real leadership on a unit looks like. And no doubt Joe's lack of discipline was an indirect factor in Kylin leaving.
It's pretty unbelievable that we had a linebacker knock out our QB in a fist fight...and that linebacker still got to play in the Music City Bowl. What kind of message does that send? I'm a little surprised that Cohen didn't step in and tell Joe that Gay wasn't going to play. Maybe he figured he was going to fire Joe anyway and it would just add fuel to the fire. And with Kylin tapping out- with a guy like Dantzler making "business decisions" and playing when he wants- a guy like Kylin is going to see that and of course he's going to think it's OK to tap out when he wants to.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
I'm not sure if he is the last of the cancers or not- but I would imagine that any that are left have gotten the message to straighten up if they want to play.
Right now we're paying for Dan's JUCO heavy recruiting with out of whack numbers in 2016-2017 and as you said Joe's discipline which destroyed Dan's culture. I've railed Hevesy and Billy Gonzalez a lot but Joe is the main problem that we have had to fix right now. Kudos to Erroll Thompson- that's what real leadership on a unit looks like. And no doubt Joe's lack of discipline was an indirect factor in Kylin leaving.
It's pretty unbelievable that we had a linebacker knock out our QB in a fist fight...and that linebacker still got to play in the Music City Bowl. What kind of message does that send? I'm a little surprised that Cohen didn't step in and tell Joe that Gay wasn't going to play. Maybe he figured he was going to fire Joe anyway and it would just add fuel to the fire. And with Kylin tapping out- with a guy like Dantzler making "business decisions" and playing when he wants- a guy like Kylin is going to see that and of course he's going to think it's OK to tap out when he wants to.
Todd, this kinda reminds me of when Saban got to Bammer... He (half assed) suspended DJ Hall then he black-balled his thug ass... At the time, DJ might have been the best WR in Bammer history....
"It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."
No.
Easy there buddy. Tusk is...well Tusk is Tusk. Tireddawg 12.20.17
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
I'm not sure if he is the last of the cancers or not- but I would imagine that any that are left have gotten the message to straighten up if they want to play.
Right now we're paying for Dan's JUCO heavy recruiting with out of whack numbers in 2016-2017 and as you said Joe's discipline which destroyed Dan's culture. I've railed Hevesy and Billy Gonzalez a lot but Joe is the main problem that we have had to fix right now. Kudos to Erroll Thompson- that's what real leadership on a unit looks like. And no doubt Joe's lack of discipline was an indirect factor in Kylin leaving.
It's pretty unbelievable that we had a linebacker knock out our QB in a fist fight...and that linebacker still got to play in the Music City Bowl. What kind of message does that send? I'm a little surprised that Cohen didn't step in and tell Joe that Gay wasn't going to play. Maybe he figured he was going to fire Joe anyway and it would just add fuel to the fire. And with Kylin tapping out- with a guy like Dantzler making "business decisions" and playing when he wants- a guy like Kylin is going to see that and of course he's going to think it's OK to tap out when he wants to.
Todd - that's a great point about the '16 and '17 classes having impacts now.
From '16 (Redshirt Srs/year 5) - of 19 players signed we have 7 on the roster - which probably isn't a bad amount. 3 guys are in the NFL (Simmons, Dantzler, & Jordan Thomas). One guy is at UF.
But that '17 class - as much short term talent as it brought us, it is wrecking us this season. This class would be RS JR or true SR right now. We signed 25. 4 never made it to campus.
If Kylin opts out, all that is left are Aaron Odum, Austin Williams, James Jackson, Tucker Day, and Powers Warren. Yeah, a ton of that class are in the NFL now - but it's left a huge personnel and leadership vacuum.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
I'm not sure if he is the last of the cancers or not- but I would imagine that any that are left have gotten the message to straighten up if they want to play.
Right now we're paying for Dan's JUCO heavy recruiting with out of whack numbers in 2016-2017 and as you said Joe's discipline which destroyed Dan's culture. I've railed Hevesy and Billy Gonzalez a lot but Joe is the main problem that we have had to fix right now. Kudos to Erroll Thompson- that's what real leadership on a unit looks like. And no doubt Joe's lack of discipline was an indirect factor in Kylin leaving.
It's pretty unbelievable that we had a linebacker knock out our QB in a fist fight...and that linebacker still got to play in the Music City Bowl. What kind of message does that send? I'm a little surprised that Cohen didn't step in and tell Joe that Gay wasn't going to play. Maybe he figured he was going to fire Joe anyway and it would just add fuel to the fire. And with Kylin tapping out- with a guy like Dantzler making "business decisions" and playing when he wants- a guy like Kylin is going to see that and of course he's going to think it's OK to tap out when he wants to.
Yes, Sir!
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