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05-05-2020, 08:19 PM
#121
Originally Posted by
Homedawg
So we don't know if herd immunity is possible and if a vaccine will work. Your words. But let's sit around and destroy the country. And AGAIN, this has nothing to do w mass entertainment or football or whatever. Guess you don't care about the thousands that wont be able to afford to eat or kill themselves then either. Works both ways. And you can agree w this or not but if our food and farming situation doesn't improve and improve quickly, nobody will be able to afford to plant a crop or find any meat to eat. We have to go. NOW.
This thread was about football games. That is what I have been talking about. Y'all have been trying to morph this into the other thread all over again. I am NOT talking about not getting stuff that matters back up and running. We have to do that, but in a careful and controlled manner. But packing thousands of people together like at an athletic event is just plain stupid. We already have enough evidence from around the world on that. Heck we have enough evidence from parades during the Spanish Flu. Sure it's open air, but the restrooms aren't. That only scratches the surface of why it would be insane.
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05-05-2020, 08:21 PM
#122
Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
Yes yes yes! Here's something I've been following. With the global shutdown, predications are showing by the end of the year 250 million will be in danger of starving to death if the food supply chain is not started back and soon. So what do we do with those 250 million? Just say sorry folks we couldn't go to work because of a bug with 98% survival rate. Everyone's so focused on the damn virus they're not considering all the repercussions of the shutdown.
Well no, because the govt will pay for it. Or Bc we have grocery stores!! That's where the food comes from right???
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05-05-2020, 08:31 PM
#123
I'm out here. The fact that y'all are equating gong to a football game with getting back to work says it all. We are about to find out what happens when we loosen up. We are all lab rats right now. Hopefully y'all are not correct, and I'm not either. I don't care for either view.
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05-05-2020, 10:04 PM
#124
Originally Posted by
Liverpooldawg
This thread was about football games. That is what I have been talking about. Y'all have been trying to morph this into the other thread all over again. I am NOT talking about not getting stuff that matters back up and running. We have to do that, but in a careful and controlled manner. But packing thousands of people together like at an athletic event is just plain stupid. We already have enough evidence from around the world on that. Heck we have enough evidence from parades during the Spanish Flu. Sure it's open air, but the restrooms aren't. That only scratches the surface of why it would be insane.
Keeping it on football games, another consideration is that millions of people will lose their businesses, jobs, and everything that comes with that if fans do not attend games and eat, drink, lodge, etc... Football, college and pro, is a huge economic driver in this country.
On the balance, and I get this seems heartless to some, but it is worth several thousand dying to save the lives of several millions. That same logic can be extrapolated our way past football to every sector of our economy/country.
Last edited by confucius say; 05-05-2020 at 10:06 PM.
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05-05-2020, 10:11 PM
#125
Originally Posted by
confucius say
Keeping it on football games, another consideration is that millions of people will lose their businesses, jobs, and everything that comes with that if fans do not attend games and eat, drink, lodge, etc... Football, college and pro, is a huge economic driver in this country.
On the balance, and I get this seems heartless to some, but it is worth several thousand dying to save the lives of several millions. That same logic can be extrapolated our way past football to every sector of our economy/country.
Cold hard truths unfortunately.
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05-05-2020, 10:38 PM
#126
Originally Posted by
Liverpooldawg
Large events mean large spikes . See the Liverpool Echo today. Y'all have made it very clear where your priorities are. Lives don't matter, football does. I love sports and missi it terribly, but some things are more important. You can live without sports.
If the large spikes don’t overrun the hospitals then it won’t matter. The same amount of people are getting it no matter what. We will all get it now fast or all get it later at a slower pace. If the health officials think we can have fans without the spike overrunning the hospitals then we should have fans. If they don’t then we should not. Simple as that. You simply do not get it. Your heart is in the right place but you are wanting to kill hundreds of thousands of jobs from large events for misguided hope that in reality has no chance of happening and will hurt more people in the process. Until you are willing to come to grip with the fact that basically everyone is going to contract this virus no matter what we do you are going to continue to bash your head in the wall and do this tired self righteous act where you try and tell other people how terrible they are for not trying to stop something that there is no Stopping.
Last edited by Jarius; 05-05-2020 at 10:53 PM.
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05-06-2020, 05:57 AM
#127
I think everyone needs to do what I have been doing for 5 weeks now. You will have a different perspective on this whole virus pandemic. After seeing so many dead I just need a break. I think sports will be played the greed of the masses is too great. Most people now from what I've seen just don't give a damn anymore. If it kills 65,000 more people it's just natural selection in their opinion. Until there is a vaccine this will continue on. All that being said I would not go to a football game because of what I could do to someone else. But that's just me. Hail State Brethren!
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05-06-2020, 06:39 AM
#128
It's 90-plus degrees at games in September. The virus dies immediately once it gets out. So whatever someone touches would be pretty damn safe because the virus cant live in that heat. The risk would be very low.
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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05-06-2020, 08:00 AM
#129
Originally Posted by
Liverpooldawg
This thread was about football games. That is what I have been talking about. Y'all have been trying to morph this into the other thread all over again. I am NOT talking about not getting stuff that matters back up and running. We have to do that, but in a careful and controlled manner. But packing thousands of people together like at an athletic event is just plain stupid. We already have enough evidence from around the world on that. Heck we have enough evidence from parades during the Spanish Flu. Sure it's open air, but the restrooms aren't. That only scratches the surface of why it would be insane.
Of course, we did this during the Spanish Flu too -
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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05-06-2020, 09:40 AM
#130
Originally Posted by
Coach34
It's 90-plus degrees at games in September. The virus dies immediately once it gets out. So whatever someone touches would be pretty damn safe because the virus cant live in that heat. The risk would be very low.
Data from Singapore says all this is not true. (It's in the 90's and high humidity. They have had 20,000 cases in the last month)
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05-06-2020, 07:18 PM
#131
I'm going to be honest - I would NOT attend a game today or even in the next month; however, if we are able to show both locally in state and regionally to be able to get through the rest of spring, summer, and early Fall in a manner that shows a steady decline and better ha sling of getting back to normal, I could see going to a game this Fall....maybe not by Sept. 1 (only because it's hotter than Hades), but by October.
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05-06-2020, 07:43 PM
#132
Originally Posted by
Westdawg
I'm going to be honest - I would NOT attend a game today or even in the next month; however, if we are able to show both locally in state and regionally to be able to get through the rest of spring, summer, and early Fall in a manner that shows a steady decline and better ha sling of getting back to normal, I could see going to a game this Fall....maybe not by Sept. 1 (only because it's hotter than Hades), but by October.
I respect that. But, based on what you just said, you've seen your last football game live. Ever.
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05-06-2020, 09:06 PM
#133
Originally Posted by
Homedawg
I respect that. But, based on what you just said, you've seen your last football game live. Ever.
No, I am saying as of going to a game TODAY, I would not go.
I do think this will eventually work it's way through the majority of the populace in the next 2-4 months and will be on a downward trend or at least stabilized in its numbers.
I have only attended one September game in the last several years. I have either had a pregnant wife or babies/toddlers (and just had another that is 6 months old now).
I'm not taking them into high heat.
I think come October - assuming what I said above - we will be in the stadium ringing bells along the rest of you.
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05-06-2020, 09:18 PM
#134
Originally Posted by
Westdawg
No, I am saying as of going to a game TODAY, I would not go.
I do think this will eventually work it's way through the majority of the populace in the next 2-4 months and will be on a downward trend or at least stabilized in its numbers.
I have only attended one September game in the last several years. I have either had a pregnant wife or babies/toddlers (and just had another that is 6 months old now).
I'm not taking them into high heat.
I think come October - assuming what I said above - we will be in the stadium ringing bells along the rest of you.
And I'm saying it's not ever going to be gone. If it has to be normal or anywhere close you won't be going. Now if the new normal is ok w you and you change your stance gotcha.
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05-07-2020, 09:35 AM
#135
Originally Posted by
Westdawg
No, I am saying as of going to a game TODAY, I would not go.
I do think this will eventually work it's way through the majority of the populace in the next 2-4 months and will be on a downward trend or at least stabilized in its numbers.
I have only attended one September game in the last several years. I have either had a pregnant wife or babies/toddlers (and just had another that is 6 months old now).
I'm not taking them into high heat.
I think come October - assuming what I said above - we will be in the stadium ringing bells along the rest of you.
See, I can respect this. You are making a decision that's best for you and not telling me what to do. My stance is simply let individuals make a determination if they want to go. For myself and my family, I'm not concerned. For others I understand their concern.. Just give us the choice, and let us make our own decision, that's all I'm asking.
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05-07-2020, 09:53 AM
#136
Originally Posted by
gtowndawg
See, I can respect this. You are making a decision that's best for you and not telling me what to do. My stance is simply let individuals make a determination if they want to go. For myself and my family, I'm not concerned. For others I understand their concern.. Just give us the choice, and let us make our own decision, that's all I'm asking.
Right on.
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05-07-2020, 09:55 AM
#137
Originally Posted by
Homedawg
And I'm saying it's not ever going to be gone. If it has to be normal or anywhere close you won't be going. Now if the new normal is ok w you and you change your stance gotcha.
Why do you think SARS 2 (covid) will never be gone? SARS 1 is gone right? (I'm no doctor, that's just my understanding).
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05-07-2020, 10:24 AM
#138
Originally Posted by
confucius say
Why do you think SARS 2 (covid) will never be gone? SARS 1 is gone right? (I'm no doctor, that's just my understanding).
With SARS 1 people got REALLY sick really quickly. There was little to no transmission unless symptoms were present. That is a heck of a lot easier to contain and eventually eliminate. This one behaves more like the flu except the period of asymptomatic transmission is much longer. We have never been able to eliminate the flu. If this one mutates like the flu then even with a vaccine it's here to stay.
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05-07-2020, 01:57 PM
#139
Originally Posted by
Liverpooldawg
With SARS 1 people got REALLY sick really quickly. There was little to no transmission unless symptoms were present. That is a heck of a lot easier to contain and eventually eliminate. This one behaves more like the flu except the period of asymptomatic transmission is much longer. We have never been able to eliminate the flu. If this one mutates like the flu then even with a vaccine it's here to stay.
Yea I think it is a question of mutation. Early results show a minimal mutation, which is good, but it is early. Some rna viruses like mumps and measles and SARS 1 and swine were largely eradicated with herd immunity (plus a vaccine in case of mumps and measles).
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05-07-2020, 02:49 PM
#140
Originally Posted by
Coach34
It's 90-plus degrees at games in September. The virus dies immediately once it gets out. So whatever someone touches would be pretty damn safe because the virus cant live in that heat. The risk would be very low.
I don't think that's been proven yet. It's possibly true, maybe even likely, but there are some hot equatorial climates that have Covid cases.
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