Saturday Scrimmage

[Coach34]

You mentioned what you've heard about the D. Got anything on the offense? How are QB/WR doing? O-line? scheme? etc...

OL is looking good. WR's are indeed getting better. Offense has a chance to be solid. Shrader supposedly is almost assuredly going to be the 3rd guy due to inaccuracy if "sources" are to be believed

[Todd4State]

So why were they moving Jarrian to safety? Or would it be different now that Williams quit? In my opinion Jarrian has hips like a safety not a corner, though he doesn't seem eager to tackle like you would want with a safety. I suppose he could still be below average at both of those spots AND be one of our better options this year.

I think I would rather just take lumps with Forbes and Richardson who want to be here... But ask me again on 9/26 at about 3:00.

I think Jones is the bigger loss because our depth at safety is worse than it is on the DL. Either way both Jones and Lovett and Lovett's Dad didn't want to be here so I still think in the long run we're better off without them.

[Todd4State]

Fred Smoot weighed 165 lbs and was an All American.

Cam Dantzler may be a better example.

[Todd4State]

He's had a solid camp. He's really tightened up his throwing motion & is doing better. People are mistaking the fact that Will May be slightly ahead of him that he's done at MSU at QB. I think that's way premature & it's going to be a great battle next Spring. I think the biggest thing is that guys just gravitate to Will. He has a magnetic personality.

If Rogers does indeed have intangibles like that it's going to be hard for Shrader to beat him out.

[bulldawg28]

Cam Dantzler may be a better example.

If you're talking value based on weight it doesn't matter. Smoot was lighter than Dantzler and shorter.

[Todd4State]

If you're talking value based on weight it doesn't matter. Smoot was lighter than Dantzler and shorter.

I don't really think there is value in weight- at least not at CB. My point was I was agreeing with you that you can play CB at 165 and be good. I had a class with Smoot and we were essentially the same size- height and weight wise and I weighed 180 then.

The biggest thing with CB to me is their ball skills. Can you cover the guy? Or do you get burned.

[Cooterpoot]

For now. We’ll see how long that lasts

Jones is their starting CB and Lovett is 2nd at nose. Both will be playing a shit ton.

[Cooterpoot]

The defense is not going to be as bad as ya'll think it's going to be. We have some athletes and a scheme that's going to use that athleticism. Most of ya'll are too young to remember what Joe Lee Dunn did with the blitz. Bookmark this post and make me eat my words. HAIL STATE!

This isn't the same SEC Joe Lee coached in. The defense will not be good. They'll have their moments here and there, but this year will be a struggle. We've also got to recruit better on that side.

[maroonmania]

I said ?arguably?. Crumedy and Pickering have chances to be pretty good players. But neither is dominant and after having a 10 year run of dominant guys on the DL- that hurts us.

Not sure any of the 3 are real SEC difference makers but Pickering is the one that came in with all the hype. Will be disappointed if he doesn't become a big factor on our DL at some point, hopefully this year. Would certainly have liked to have kept Lovett but he just seemed to be a big body in there and was always disgruntled even going back to his recruiting process. I didn't see him ever being anything more on our DL than 'solid' which was fine.

[32 Dive]

Fred Smoot weighed 165 lbs and was an All American.

Smoot`s JAWS were 165. He worked them out, constantly.

[Jarius]

Jones is their starting CB and Lovett is 2nd at nose. Both will be playing a shit ton.

Florida State had the 88th ranked defense in the country last year (worse than us) and has had a lot of defensive injuries in camp. They would be playing for us if they were here but Jones isn’t worth a shit, which probably says a lot about what we can expect in our secondary.

[bulldawg28]

Smoot`s JAWS were 165. He worked them out, constantly.

Ha

[bulldawg28]

I don't really think there is value in weight- at least not at CB. My point was I was agreeing with you that you can play CB at 165 and be good. I had a class with Smoot and we were essentially the same size- height and weight wise and I weighed 180 then.

The biggest thing with CB to me is their ball skills. Can you cover the guy? Or do you get burned.

I played with Smoot and he was tiny in the 175 range.

[Todd4State]

I played with Smoot and he was tiny in the 175 range.

I hear you. And I like I said I was 180. I wouldn't consider him tiny for a CB by any stretch of the imagination. Especially for a CB in the 90's.

[msu15]

Jones is their starting CB and Lovett is 2nd at nose. Both will be playing a shit ton.

Once it was revealed that Lovett was the one that had a problem with the workouts and wanted to talk to a coach about it I was done with him. We can't win big at MSU with guys like that. We already have too many hurdles to overcome to have to worry about a guy's heart.

[bulldawg28]

I hear you. And I like I said I was 180. I wouldn't consider him tiny for a CB by any stretch of the imagination. Especially for a CB in the 90's.

Dude you act like we're talking in the 50's. A 175 pound cb in the 90's was small. He could only bench 225 1 time for the scouts. That's why he struggled with big WR'S. I think you're trying to equate yourself with him. If so you would have been a small player too bro. It is what it is.

[RiverCityDawg]

I played with Smoot and he was tiny in the 175 range.

Yep. Smoot weighed in at 172 at the NFL combine.

[bulldawg28]

Yep. Smoot weighed in at 172 at the NFL combine.

soaken wet...lol

[confucius say]

Yep. Smoot weighed in at 172 at the NFL combine.

Yep.
And his 1 rep of 225 was the worst in combine history. He could cover though.

[FISHDAWG]

I see some impatience and higher expectations ... Don't forget that after the first year under JoMo we ALL KNEW we were in for several mediocre years until a competent HC would come along ... and that HC was going to need a few more years as well. I enjoy optimism but it's not like we weren't all expecting this