2nd lowest point total scored vs OM in 2020

[msstate7]

We can change the subject. When did we pass OM as a program? Historically speaking we haven't.

We've clearly been better the last few years.

Did you (or anyone here) say OM had passed us as a program preseason? No

[Todd4State]

We've clearly been better the last few years.

Did you (or anyone here) say OM had passed us as a program preseason? No

Have they? It took us losing how many players for them to beat us today?

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

We've clearly been better the last few years.

Did you (or anyone here) say OM had passed us as a program preseason? No

I'm sorry, what about last years 1 point win because of a missed extra point means we were "clearly better"? We were better the 3 years before that. But we aren't the better PROGRAM.

A team can go up and down year to year. A program includes national perception, prestige, ability to attract a good coach, recruiting, facilities, and yes, wins. We've only been better than them recently in wins. Was 2019 Auburn the better program than 2019 Bama? No, but Auburn was able to win because teams change year to year.

Well, State never really separated from OM. We were relatively up with Jackie, we were relatively down withCroom, we were relatively up till Freeze got things going, both programs skyrocketed to even heights in '13-'15, and Om fell off about 2 wins a year relative to us for a few years after that. Now JoMo created a soft culture Leach had to fix, and Luke left Kiffin no such issues and a lot of talent on O.

We're the same. '16 we beat them but the overall W-L's were the same. '17 we lost but had the better team. '18 we beat them and had the better team. Last year we essentially tied and had even teams. This year we have even teams and a fumble was the difference in the game. Nothing about our recent relative program success over them is drastic enough to make us a better PROGRAM overall to a level where OM can't ever beat us.

[Percho]

We've clearly been better the last few years.

Did you (or anyone here) say OM had passed us as a program preseason? No

At the end of last year's game with OM did you think we would beat OM this year? What about when we retained JOMO?

Did your opinion change the day we hired ML?

Did it change again?

What were your expectations this morning relative to today's game?

[Matt3467]

We've clearly been better the last few years.

Did you (or anyone here) say OM had passed us as a program preseason? No

No but it never came to mind until you mentioned it. Aside from very recent years OM is ahead of us. Even in recent years they've typically been ahead of us in talent as well. OM recruits itself well. You can argue ethics but the point still stands.

[Todd4State]

No but it never came to mind until you mentioned it. Aside from very recent years OM is ahead of us. Even in recent years they've typically been ahead of us in talent as well. OM recruits itself well. You can argue ethics but the point still stands.

By my count we are 16-14 against them on the field since 1991. 17-17 since 1987. For context with this discussion.

[ShotgunDawg]

By my count we are 16-14 against them on the field since 1991. 17-17 since 1987. For context with this discussion.

This year should have an asterisk or not count

[Todd4State]

This year should have an asterisk or not count

No different than Ole Miss wins in 2014, 15, or 17.

To me, it is what it is. Ultimately this loss goes back to Moorhead's horrible culture and Mullen's terrible recruiting four-five years ago. Part of this we did to ourselves if we're being honest. But at least I feel like we are moving forward in the right direction now.

[SDDawg]

By my count we are 16-14 against them on the field since 1991. 17-17 since 1987. For context with this discussion.

Right, Ole Miss has accomplished nothing. The 2014 Peach Bowl against TCU is one of their BIG HIGHLIGHTS from the last 10 years of the program. Think about that for a sec.