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Originally Posted by
dawgday166
Not pro-Confederacy at all and war ended with right side winning but ... Lee and Forrest 2 different dudes. And if you think Lee was "evil" you know very little about Lee. Same with Stonewall.
Should their statues on public property be moved to museum or battlefields ... absolutely. Forrest tho ... he was one mean as hell SOB and could be classified as evil. Mega hard-ass ... before & after the war.
There are lots of mean SOBs that have served as military commanders in this country--Lee, Jackson, Sherman, etc. But only the former took up arms against his own brothers in order to fight to maintain slavery. That distinction matters, sorry.
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Originally Posted by
bostondawg
There are lots of mean SOBs that have served as military commanders in this country--Lee, Jackson, Sherman, etc. But only the former took up arms against his own brothers in order to fight to maintain slavery. That distinction matters, sorry.
As I said .. you know very little about Lee & Jackson or their motivations for fighting the war. Or their history of service to the US prior to the war. Just an example, Jackson's service in the Mexican War earned him 3 promotions in rank, the only person in that war to be promoted 3 times.
Context and perspective matters too. Washington and Jefferson were "traitors" and "rebels' at one time too.
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Originally Posted by
dawgday166
Context and perspective matters too. Washington and Jefferson were "traitors" and "rebels' at one time too.
Yup, it amazes me how easily this fact gets lost...
"It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."
No.
Easy there buddy. Tusk is...well Tusk is Tusk. Tireddawg 12.20.17
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Originally Posted by
TUSK
Yup, it amazes me how easily this fact gets lost...
Some other facts that aren't as widely known. Lee's hero was Washington. He spent his life trying to emulate him. Lee's life thought process was primarily about duty and honor as he thought relative to Washington's standards.
And neither Lee or Jackson were evil ... if Lee had been he would've laid Maryland (1862) and PA (1863) to waste much the way Sherman did. Lee didn't do that. And Lee ordered payment for everything (food/supplies) confiscated (Confederate script ... mostly worthless but the money of the Confederacy). None of the citizens or their farms were destroyed (except through destruction at the battles themselves).
Last edited by dawgday166; 07-03-2020 at 12:37 PM.
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Originally Posted by
dawgday166
Some other facts that aren't as widely known. Lee's hero was Washington. He spent his life trying to emulate him. Lee's life thought process was primarily about duty and honor as he thought relative to Washington's standards.
And neither Lee or Jackson were evil ... if Lee had been he would've laid Maryland (1862) and PA (1863) to waste much the way Sherman did. Lee didn't do that. And Lee ordered payment for everything (food/supplies) confiscated (Confederate script ... mostly worthless but the money of the Confederacy). None of the citizens or their farms were destroyed (except through destruction at the battles themselves).
Apropos of Lee...I remember reading this back in '17 when it was first published.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...al-lee/529038/
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Originally Posted by
BeardoMSU
Whatever ... I never said that Lee didn't feel the white race was superior. He did. Talk about some revisionist history tho. I'd say the agenda for that article is the same as what we're seeing now ... all southerners (even Lee & Jackson) were horrible, beat their slaves practically to death, broke families up by selling them off, etc. etc. FWIW ... If Virginia doesn't secede Lee for sure and Jackson most likely fight for the Union.
So we're becoming woke now that all southerners, each and every one that fought for the south, were horrible, despicable people. I'm beginning to get it **** And all those books I've read about it, and I've got a whole set written by participants in the war, are null & void with the new revelations we're all discovering now.
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Originally Posted by
TUSK
Originally Posted by
dawgday166
Context and perspective matters too. Washington and Jefferson were "traitors" and "rebels' at one time too.
Yup, it amazes me how easily this fact gets lost...
It's not lost at all. Everyone knows they were traitors to Great Britain, but who cares?
Being a "traitor" isn't inherently good or bad. Being a traitor to America is bad (from my American perspective), while being a traitor to another country on behalf of America is good.
Is this concept really that hard?
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Originally Posted by
TUSK
Yup, it amazes me how easily this fact gets lost...
If we were a part of the uk now, I would agree.
Washington and Jefferson also fought to establish a working relationship with the British pretty dang quickly after the war.
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