Bring back Vic

[The Federalist Engineer]

If we “have the money” then we need to reallocate it so we don’t have 3 people doing the same job in football that Alabama has 15 people doing. Do you really not realize that we lose money on women’s basketball? Dumping money into a sport that no one gives a shit about is ridiculously stupid. It was fine to offer Vic a large contract to stay since he had built it into a giant and it gave a lot of good publicity to the school but we don’t need to go buy out a coach and take money away from sports that matter to fans just to try and recapture some lucky genie in a bottle shit in a sport that loses money even when they are elite. The only sports that make money at MSU are football, baseball, and men’s basketball. Those are the only sports we should be breaking the bank to try and get hires right. The minute we buy out a coach for losing in women’s basketball or any other non revenue producing sport is the minute we need a new AD.

https://247sports.com/college/missis...get-139822486/

Correct Jarius, Correct. Plus, we better not lose Lemonis, Gautreau, or Foxhall over money.

We should keep Nikki McCray Penson forever. Especially if she is cheap. Let her tweet like crazy.

It is sad that Cohen made Vic mad and he left us. No doubt.

[Cowbell]

Correct Jarius, Correct. Plus, we better not lose Lemonis, Gautreau, or Foxhall over money.

We should keep Nikki McCray Penson forever. Especially if she is cheap. Let her tweet like crazy.

It is sad that Cohen made Vic mad and he left us. No doubt.

I agree with the first part. On women's basketball money - after seeing this last season - we should just pay whoever to coach at 250k because that extra 500k ain't getting us any extra wins.

[R2Dawg]

I agree with the first part. On women's basketball money - after seeing this last season - we should just pay whoever to coach at 250k because that extra 500k ain't getting us any extra wins.

True, that is what makes me mad wasted that much money on a losing program that we could use to build other programs. WBB is done now.

[maroonmania]

True, that is what makes me mad wasted that much money on a losing program that we could use to build other programs. WBB is done now.

I personally don't consider it wasted money any time we spend on a sport that we can be consistently nationally relevant in. Outside of baseball we have never really had a 2nd sport where we could be nationally relevant until Vic brought us that in WBB. Looks like that is likely going away though. But we can spend until we are blue in the face and hire 50 additional recruiting people but we will still never be able to gain that kind of national relevance in football or men's BB. In those 2 sports there are just too many already established elite programs with much more history and much larger fanbases that are 'all in' to allow us to compete at a national level except maybe once in a blue moon where everything sort of lines up for us like in 2014. And all the NCAA rules currently in place (like the glut of football scholarships allowed) are helpful in keeping programs with their 'have' or 'have not' status in those sports because that's the way the PTB want it. So if Vic were still here keeping our WBB at the very top I would be fine with spending whatever but if we are headed back toward mediocrity then I really don't care if we spend much of anything on it.

[Jarius]

I personally don't consider it wasted money any time we spend on a sport that we can be consistently nationally relevant in. Outside of baseball we have never really had a 2nd sport where we could be nationally relevant until Vic brought us that in WBB. Looks like that is likely going away though. But we can spend until we are blue in the face and hire 50 additional recruiting people but we will still never be able to gain that kind of national relevance in football or men's BB. In those 2 sports there are just too many already established elite programs with much more history and much larger fanbases that are 'all in' to allow us to compete at a national level except maybe once in a blue moon where everything sort of lines up for us like in 2014. And all the NCAA rules currently in place (like the glut of football scholarships allowed) are helpful in keeping programs with their 'have' or 'have not' status in those sports because that's the way the PTB want it. So if Vic were still here keeping our WBB at the very top I would be fine with spending whatever but if we are headed back toward mediocrity then I really don't care if we spend much of anything on it.

If we spend an extra 500K on football every year and it means we win an average of 1 more game per year than we would have if we did not spend that money I would rather do that than win a national championship in (insert irrelevant sport).we currently pay Mason Smith about 35K a year. That’s not going to cut it. We may never be nationally relevant in football but we need to do everything possible to catch lightning in a bottle once or twice more than we could have. I would like to see us win a conference title in football before I die. Women’s basketball is something I will be proud of when we are good but it’s not worth taking money away from sports that matter to me. JMHO.

[maroonmania]

I would like to see us win a conference title in football before I die.

I guess I've already made peace with myself that Kevin Prentiss's punt return against TN in the 98 SECCG is the closest I will ever come to seeing us win a conference title in football in my lifetime.

[The Federalist Engineer]

I guess I've already made peace with myself that Kevin Prentiss's punt return against TN in the 98 SECCG is the closest I will ever come to seeing us win a conference title in football in my lifetime.

We need a bulldog fan contingent to go sell their soul to the devil and it could happen. I?m a practicing Catholic so that?s a firm no from me. But we probably have many modern secular humanists that don?t even believe in god, these boys just need to make the deal, take one for the team.

By the way, we got closer than KPs return in Atlanta. We once had Cam Newton ringing a cowbell and verbally committed.

[Coach34]

I guess I've already made peace with myself that Kevin Prentiss's punt return against TN in the 98 SECCG is the closest I will ever come to seeing us win a conference title in football in my lifetime.

Me too. That moment in the Georgia Dome was the happiest Ive ever been as a Dawg- and 23 years later I realize that was the pinnacle for me as a State fan. I'll never forget us running out of the tunnel before kickoff. It was better than in 91 when we won the SEC basketball title in Starkville over LSU

[Gypsy_RoadDawg]

I guess I've already made peace with myself that Kevin Prentiss's punt return against TN in the 98 SECCG is the closest I will ever come to seeing us win a conference title in football in my lifetime.

I saw that KP punt return also and you are probably right.

[RocketDawg]

Correct Jarius, Correct. Plus, we better not lose Lemonis, Gautreau, or Foxhall over money.

We should keep Nikki McCray Penson forever. Especially if she is cheap. Let her tweet like crazy.

It is sad that Cohen made Vic mad and he left us. No doubt.

She's not cheap. We're paying her $750K.

[R2Dawg]

She's not cheap. We're paying her $750K.

Yeah paying her about 500K too much.

[maroonmania]

Yeah paying her about 500K too much.

Based on what we are doing with the talent we have this year you are being very generous. I'm thinking probably more like 700K too much.

[The Federalist Engineer]

She's not cheap. We're paying her $750K.

Whopper!

That pay means she was expected to keep us elite in WBB from day one. Our JC got schooled and mauled by the agent of WBB coach? Sad.

[RocketDawg]

Whopper!

That pay means she was expected to keep us elite in WBB from day one. Our JC got schooled and mauled by the agent of WBB coach? Sad.

Yes, I think she was expected to keep us elite. The same article that said she was being paid $750K said Vic's first year was $250K (which is still a lot of money if it's truly a non-revenue sport). I think when he left it was something like $1.5M, which was just for fan interest - not paying its own way.

[R2Dawg]

Yes, I think she was expected to keep us elite. The same article that said she was being paid $750K said Vic's first year was $250K (which is still a lot of money if it's truly a non-revenue sport). I think when he left it was something like $1.5M, which was just for fan interest - not paying its own way.

Yep, NMP even said so herself. She didn't have to build anything just keep it going. She has to be in a crisis of belief right now about where she is in her career. Hope she reads the writing on the wall. Make some major changes and reinvent yourself or the end is coming. Bad thing is if she don't, she'll take MSU down with her.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Yep, NMP even said so herself. She didn't have to build anything just keep it going. She has to be in a crisis of belief right now about where she is in her career. Hope she reads the writing on the wall. Make some major changes and reinvent yourself or the end is coming. Bad thing is if she don't, she'll take MSU down with her.

Basketball seems like a easy program to wreck. Players can all hit the portal and go. She only has One Mississippi girl.

Who would not want Vic Shaeffer recruits? Seems they would be coveted by many winning and traditional programs.