Henderson

[preachermatt83]

Henderson does not deserve to be the HC of miss state. Even if we win the whole thing. He makes too many bone headed decisions. Tonight's loss was 100 percent on him.

[msstate7]

Our hitters say hold by beer... we had 2 hits the last 5 innings, and K'd with runner on 3rd and 1 out. This loss was a team loss from top down

[preachermatt83]

Our hitters say hold by beer... we had 2 hits the last 5 innings, and K'd with runner on 3rd and 1 out. This loss was a team loss from top down

They were throwing MLB guys at us. We pitch self we win. End of story.

[msstate7]

They were throwing MLB guys at us. We pitch self we win. End of story.

And if Jake doesn't get picked off in the first, or if Allen puts a ball in play...

Oh and y'all have really ran with all vandy relievers are mlb ready. Here's the era of the relievers tonight...

4.78
4.00
3.16

Good arms, yes. Unhittable, no

[MarketingBully]

Our hitters say hold by beer... we had 2 hits the last 5 innings, and K'd with runner on 3rd and 1 out. This loss was a team loss from top down

So what you’re saying is our pen shouldn’t hold a one run lead in the later innings even though we have one of the best middle reliever closers in the SEC. Henderson’s mistake was thinking Neff could get us 12 outs when he’s mainly been a matchup guy all year. We had a 3-2 lead in the eighth. 99% of coaches go to their closer right there. We have the only idiot 1% head coach who thinks a matchup guy can get you four innings. Truth is, you got that one out in the eighth and you had a great time to go out and get Neff with his confidence beaming and retired five straight batters. That triple was off a righty. Self would have ate him alive. You play to win the game there and you bring Self in with five outs to get to Omaha. Period. His coaching decisions have always perplexed me and tonight was no different.

[Todd4State]

I think our success is much more on our players and Gautreau than it is Henderson. Our pitching staff is ranked like 11th in the SEC and I don't think very many of our pitchers have progressed under him.

We've had a good run this year and keeping Henderson would be the "nice" thing to do.

But the reality is we are better off with someone else as our head coach. He hasn't recruited very many of our current pitchers and even if we did make him the coach with Gautreau as coach in waiting- his age and our weird coaching set-up would be used against us in recruiting. I think it also increases the odds that Gautreau would go somewhere else to be a head coach. Tulane has been pretty bad the past two years. Texas got burned in football with Will Muschamp as the coach in waiting so it's not unheard of.

[preachermatt83]

So what you’re saying is our pen shouldn’t hold a one run lead in the later innings even though we have one of the best middle reliever closers in the SEC. Henderson’s mistake was thinking Neff could get us 12 outs when he’s mainly been a matchup guy all year. We had a 3-2 lead in the eighth. 99% of coaches go to their closer right there. We have the only idiot 1% head coach who thinks a matchup guy can get you four innings. Truth is, you got that one out in the eighth and you had a great time to go out and get Neff with his confidence beaming and retired five straight batters. That triple was off a righty. Self would have ate him alive. You play to win the game there and you bring Self in with five outs to get to Omaha. Period. His coaching decisions have always perplexed me and tonight was no different.

Truth

[Todd4State]

So what you’re saying is our pen shouldn’t hold a one run lead in the later innings even though we have one of the best middle reliever closers in the SEC. Henderson’s mistake was thinking Neff could get us 12 outs when he’s mainly been a matchup guy all year. We had a 3-2 lead in the eighth. 99% of coaches go to their closer right there. We have the only idiot 1% head coach who thinks a matchup guy can get you four innings. Truth is, you got that one out in the eighth and you had a great time to go out and get Neff with his confidence beaming and retired five straight batters. That triple was off a righty. Self would have ate him alive. You play to win the game there and you bring Self in with five outs to get to Omaha. Period. His coaching decisions have always perplexed me and tonight was no different.

His thinking I can almost guarantee you was that he wanted to save Self for game three if we needed him. It's basically what he has done all year. He basically gambled and lost.

He was going to bring in McQuary before Self tonight too- based off of who was up in the bullpen.

[preachermatt83]

I think our success is much more on our players and Gautreau than it is Henderson. Our pitching staff is ranked like 11th in the SEC and I don't think very many of our pitchers have progressed under him.

We've had a good run this year and keeping Henderson would be the "nice" thing to do.

But the reality is we are better off with someone else as our head coach. He hasn't recruited very many of our current pitchers and even if we did make him the coach with Gautreau as coach in waiting- his age and our weird coaching set-up would be used against us in recruiting. I think it also increases the odds that Gautreau would go somewhere else to be a head coach. Tulane has been pretty bad the past two years. Texas got burned in football with Will Muschamp as the coach in waiting so it's not unheard of.

Agreed

[MarketingBully]

His thinking I can almost guarantee you was that he wanted to save Self for game three if we needed him. It's basically what he has done all year. He basically gambled and lost.

He was going to bring in McQuary before Self tonight too- based off of who was up in the bullpen.

He just needs to go. He’s a washed up old man who got lucky because our hitters have essentially been covering for him during this run. If we play this straight up instead of dumb ass shifts and we bring in our closer in the eighth, we are celebrating going to Omaha and win this game 3-1.

[Todd4State]

He just needs to go. He’s a washed up old man who got lucky because our hitters have essentially been covering for him during this run. If we play this straight up instead of dumb ass shifts and we bring in our closer in the eighth, we are celebrating going to Omaha and win this game 3-1.

Not just during this run- how about the entire year?

My rough estimate is Henderson alone has cost us 5-10 wins this year.

[MarketingBully]

Not just during this run- how about the entire year?

My rough estimate is Henderson alone has cost us 5-10 wins this year.

That’s an extremely conservative estimate. I think my last tally including this game was 12.

[Dawg61]

That’s an extremely conservative estimate. I think my last tally including this game was 12.

You're such a dickhead when we lose a game. Sleep it off and let's win tomorrow.

[MarketingBully]

You're such a dickhead when we lose a game. Sleep it off and let's win tomorrow.

This loss was a direct result of Henderson’s decisions with the bullpen period. I don’t see how that’s even debatable.

[Dawg61]

This loss was a direct result of Henderson’s decisions with the bullpen period. I don’t see how that’s even debatable.

There's like twenty pages of bitching in the game thread over it already. Sometimes there's a thing called too much whining.

[Pit Bull]

Henderson does not deserve to be the HC of miss state. Even if we win the whole thing. He makes too many bone headed decisions. Tonight's loss was 100 percent on him.

LOL. Period.

[Leroy Jenkins]

His thinking I can almost guarantee you was that he wanted to save Self for game three if we needed him. .

He has said as much before, I believe it was vs OU. Something along the lines of "we are trying to win a series not a game". That sounds fine and all, but if the game is there you gotta take it.

[Cooterpoot]

Cohen knows he can’t hire Gary. Gary played for game three instead of playing to win game 2. He did the same thing vs OK basically. Said Self couldn’t get that many outs. Then, next time he gets that many. Our pitching sucks. Yet, Gary decided Billingsley is a better option in game 3 than Self is for 5 outs. No way we win today. Billingsley won’t last 4 innings. Then, you’re throw France who he burned Friday and Self. Gordon too. He burned him Friday. We went all in Friday then gave up on Saturday.

[maroonmania]

And if Jake doesn't get picked off in the first, or if Allen puts a ball in play...

Oh and y'all have really ran with all vandy relievers are mlb ready. Here's the era of the relievers tonight...

4.78
4.00
3.16

Good arms, yes. Unhittable, no

I love Jake but as I've said many times he is a terrible base runner. He's like a cowboy out on the bases and makes a lot of foolish outs. Gets picked off a lot and gets thrown out a lot. I actually missed the early part of the game but not surprised he cost us an out on the bases.

[Bdawg]

So what you’re saying is our pen shouldn’t hold a one run lead in the later innings even though we have one of the best middle reliever closers in the SEC. Henderson’s mistake was thinking Neff could get us 12 outs when he’s mainly been a matchup guy all year. We had a 3-2 lead in the eighth. 99% of coaches go to their closer right there. We have the only idiot 1% head coach who thinks a matchup guy can get you four innings. Truth is, you got that one out in the eighth and you had a great time to go out and get Neff with his confidence beaming and retired five straight batters. That triple was off a righty. Self would have ate him alive. You play to win the game there and you bring Self in with five outs to get to Omaha. Period. His coaching decisions have always perplexed me and tonight was no different.

Solid statement. +1