Alexander

[Todd4State]

So here are a couple points you've made in this post:

1) Why care at all about people who aren't your family?
2) Athletes will be called names at some point in their careers, so why not have our own fans do it to them?

Why are people becoming more upset over those who have an issue with our fans insulting our athletes than with those doing the insulting? That seems to be the real question here. You admit yourself these are things people shouldn't be saying. Seems like the best way to get it to stop is to call out those who do it and force them to stop.

1) The question you should be asking is what do I get out of defending a player? Essentially it's another form of trying to get power and control- but instead of targeting the player you are taking their side and trying to control the people making fun of them even though aside from them being on your team you have no personal stake in the matter. My point was I have been on the side of people that have been made fun of on an athletic stage and so I know what it's like to have that happen. The reality is if you are in this sport you are not going to make every fan happy every time even if you are Babe Ruth. Every player should understand that and understand that is something that they are going to have to deal with the further they go along. Essentially in my field it would be understanding the fact that I am going to have to deal with angry patients and family members from time to time and accepting that's the reality of what I face in my job every day.

2) My point is that people do things that they shouldn't but just because they do it doesn't mean that it's your place to correct them. Do you try to turn in everyone that is speeding? Do you try to intervene with everyone that is mean to their waiter? Do you try to stop people from calling our football players names on the Internet? You can't control what other people do but you can control yourself and when you try to call those people out what you are essentially doing is giving them control and attention- which is what they want- and it actually will probably have the opposite effect of what you are going for. Assuming your intentions are well placed and that you're not going for power yourself. So, by modeling not calling our players names and not highlighting those that do and giving them power you are actually doing more to achieve your desired effect than you are by trying to "force them to stop".

[Bulldog1]

Whether or not you agree with the nicknames and stuff, I would hope we can all agree that he needs to be batting somewhere 7-9 in the lineup. That's the bottom line.

[tcdog70]

1) The question you should be asking is what do I get out of defending a player? Essentially it's another form of trying to get power and control- but instead of targeting the player you are taking their side and trying to control the people making fun of them even though aside from them being on your team you have no personal stake in the matter. My point was I have been on the side of people that have been made fun of on an athletic stage and so I know what it's like to have that happen. The reality is if you are in this sport you are not going to make every fan happy every time even if you are Babe Ruth. Every player should understand that and understand that is something that they are going to have to deal with the further they go along. Essentially in my field it would be understanding the fact that I am going to have to deal with angry patients and family members from time to time and accepting that's the reality of what I face in my job every day.

2) My point is that people do things that they shouldn't but just because they do it doesn't mean that it's your place to correct them. Do you try to turn in everyone that is speeding? Do you try to intervene with everyone that is mean to their waiter? Do you try to stop people from calling our football players names on the Internet? You can't control what other people do but you can control yourself and when you try to call those people out what you are essentially doing is giving them control and attention- which is what they want- and it actually will probably have the opposite effect of what you are going for. Assuming your intentions are well placed and that you're not going for power yourself. So, by modeling not calling our players names and not highlighting those that do and giving them power you are actually doing more to achieve your desired effect than you are by trying to "force them to stop".

Good Lord --please stop!

[smootness]

1) The question you should be asking is what do I get out of defending a player? Essentially it's another form of trying to get power and control- but instead of targeting the player you are taking their side and trying to control the people making fun of them even though aside from them being on your team you have no personal stake in the matter. My point was I have been on the side of people that have been made fun of on an athletic stage and so I know what it's like to have that happen. The reality is if you are in this sport you are not going to make every fan happy every time even if you are Babe Ruth. Every player should understand that and understand that is something that they are going to have to deal with the further they go along. Essentially in my field it would be understanding the fact that I am going to have to deal with angry patients and family members from time to time and accepting that's the reality of what I face in my job every day.

2) My point is that people do things that they shouldn't but just because they do it doesn't mean that it's your place to correct them. Do you try to turn in everyone that is speeding? Do you try to intervene with everyone that is mean to their waiter? Do you try to stop people from calling our football players names on the Internet? You can't control what other people do but you can control yourself and when you try to call those people out what you are essentially doing is giving them control and attention- which is what they want- and it actually will probably have the opposite effect of what you are going for. Assuming your intentions are well placed and that you're not going for power yourself. So, by modeling not calling our players names and not highlighting those that do and giving them power you are actually doing more to achieve your desired effect than you are by trying to "force them to stop".

Holy crap

Just don't publicly insult athletes at Mississippi State. It's a pretty simple idea.

[tcdog70]

I thought it was established that I never called Jake a MFer? If not- I didn't. And I don't think it's right to do so. But I also don't think it's my place to tell people what it right or wrong. And if I did think it was my place I would be consistent across the board with it and not hold the baseball players to a different standard.

I already told you I saw the comment about Joe Morrow earlier in the thread so I didn't "dig" for it.

i never said you did call Jake anything-I just asked did you approve of calling Bulldogs mfers. you never answered the question--although you did ramble on for a long time about something. You also asked Me how his swinging at the first pitch turn out and I answered. But when I asked you how He did Sunday--not a peep--and this from someone who will write a novel at the drop of a hat. You had no problem jumping into the conversation I was having with Ari. but when you threw your expert views in, I asked for a response you dodged like a -a-a well a mfer.

[Todd4State]

i never said you did call Jake anything-I just asked did you approve of calling Bulldogs mfers. you never answered the question--although you did ramble on for a long time about something. You also asked Me how his swinging at the first pitch turn out and I answered. But when I asked you how He did Sunday--not a peep--and this from someone who will write a novel at the drop of a hat. You had no problem jumping into the conversation I was having with Ari. but when you threw your expert views in, I asked for a response you dodged like a -a-a well a mfer.

I didn't see your answer Jake swinging at the first pitch which I why I didn't answer nor did I see you ask me how he did Sunday. You asked me if I approved of Jake being called a MFer and I didn't- so oddly enough you have now called me a mfer?

Interesting.

I jumped in the conversation with you and Ari because you acted like you thought Jake swinging at the first pitch was a good baseball move and I told you why it wasn't. Not because you had an issue with Ari calling him a MFer. But if you still don't agree with me about the baseball logic of it feel free to ask any baseball coach that you trust about what you should do as the leadoff hitter when your team is down three runs and I don't think any of them will answer with swing at the first pitch. That doesn't even include the caveat that the pitcher for Kentucky was wild and there is a good chance that had Jake been patient he would have either walked or gotten a much better pitch to hit later in the count.

As far as how Jake did Sunday- he went 3-6 with a double and 2 RBI's. He is a very good player that will be drafted in the top 5 rounds this year. But while he is a good baseball player his last AB on Saturday was not a good AB or good baseball and he would probably agree with me on that too.

[Todd4State]

Holy crap

Just don't publicly insult athletes at Mississippi State. It's a pretty simple idea.

Or maybe the simple idea is to stop trying to tell people what to do?

[yjnkdawg]

Holy crap

Just don't publicly insult athletes at Mississippi State. It's a pretty simple idea.

It's so simple of a solution but some just can't seem to comprehend it. I got called out a while back on me criticizing these stupid nicknames, by a former poster, that some on here, believed he could do no wrong. I guess that's what makes it seems right in some minds on here. To the best of my knowledge the OM boards don't even do this crap on their student athletes.

[Liverpooldawg]

Bad stats, bad performances .....those are always fair game. I just don't understand people who feel the need to personally belittle and insult those that wear our colors.

[Bulldog1]

Bad stats, bad performances .....those are always fair game. I just don't understand people who feel the need to personally belittle and insult those that wear our colors.

Again, not defending the name but "Foambat" is not "personally belittling," it was simply directed toward his performance at the plate- nothing personal about it imo.

[yjnkdawg]

Again, not defending the name but "Foambat" is not "personally belittling," it was simply directed toward his performance at the plate- nothing personal about it imo.

If it was directed at Luke's performance at the plate, then shouldn't it have said something like "Luke hits with a foambat" or something similar. So calling one of our players "foambat" or some other stupid nickname isn't personally belittling or insulting them? Gotcha...... And this comment that it's "just for only our fun" is a piece of crap. IMO.

[Bulldog1]

If it was directed at Luke's performance at the plate, then shouldn't it have said something like "Luke hits with a foambat" or something similar. So calling one of our players "foambat" or some other stupid nickname isn't personally belittling or insulting them? Gotcha...... And this comment that it's "just for only our fun" is a piece of crap. IMO.

That was the context it was used in.
Here's where it originated-
https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthrea...l-thread/page2
Post #44.

[msstate7]

That was the context it was used in.
Here's where it originated-
https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthrea...l-thread/page2
Post #44.

Post #60 by same poster...

"**** Mangum. 1 out. So tired"

But hey, I'm sure it was all in good fun

[Bulldog1]

Post #60 by same poster...

"**** Mangum. 1 out. So tired"

But hey, I'm sure it was all in good fun

I see y'all keep quoting "All in good fun" and I'm just wondering where are y'all getting this from? Who said that? Is it in this thread? Because if it is, I missed it.

[tcdog70]

I didn't see your answer Jake swinging at the first pitch which I why I didn't answer nor did I see you ask me how he did Sunday. You asked me if I approved of Jake being called a MFer and I didn't- so oddly enough you have now called me a mfer?

Interesting

I jumped in the conversation with you and Ari because you acted like you thought Jake swinging at the first pitch was a good baseball move and I told you why it wasn't. Not because you had an issue with Ari calling him a MFer. But if you still don't agree with me about the baseball logic of it feel free to ask any baseball coach that you trust about what you should do as the leadoff hitter when your team is down three runs and I don't think any of them will answer with swing at the first pitch. That doesn't even include the caveat that the pitcher for Kentucky was wild and there is a good chance that had Jake been patient he would have either walked or gotten a much better pitch to hit later in the count.

As far as how Jake did Sunday- he went 3-6 with a double and 2 RBI's. He is a very good player that will be drafted in the top 5 rounds this year. But while he is a good baseball player his last AB on Saturday was not a good AB or good baseball and he would probably agree with me on that too.

I guess I should have used ***. I thought you might spot the sarcasm. I said LIKE a Mfer, I don'tknow you , so you might or might not be a Mfer. Hope not one. Let's move on, hope you have a nice day.

[I seen it dawg]

Which people? All or just a certain group?

Those that get so bent about a name. It's a word and people are too damn soft to let it effect them. I have to believe Alexander gives it no thought. And if he does.....well...

And truth be told it did start as "sounded like he hits it with a foam bat". And it's grown as it's become apparent that it antagonizes the absolute shit out of a lot of posters so it's stuck.

[tcdog70]

Those that get so bent about a name. It's a word and people are too damn soft to let it effect them. I have to believe Alexander gives it no thought. And if he does.....well...

And truth be told it did start as "sounded like he hits it with a foam bat". And it's grown as it's become apparent that it antagonizes the absolute shit out of a lot of posters so it's stuck.

Of course it doesn't hurt that it generates large thread count right?

[I seen it dawg]

Of course it doesn't hurt that it generates large thread count right?

No it doesn't i guess. However it's gonna take a lot more than foambat pissing contests to pay the mortgage contrary to what you may think. Click an ad while you're here thanks.

[Liverpooldawg]

Again, not defending the name but "Foambat" is not "personally belittling," it was simply directed toward his performance at the plate- nothing personal about it imo.

Others see it differently.

[Bulldog1]

Others see it differently.

Well, they see it wrong.