Bo Bounds Thinks MSU Wins 7 Games This year

[CadaverDawg]

Bartoo lives and dies by his matrix. If he says we win 8, he’s saying his matrix is shit.....guess what? His matrix is shit

[BeardoMSU]

If he says we win 8, he’s saying his matrix is shit.....guess what? His matrix is shit

[ShotgunDawg]

Bartoo lives and dies by his matrix. If he says we win 8, he?s saying his matrix is shit.....guess what? His matrix is shit

Well stated. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Another thing: We are about to find out how good Mullen really was.

Was MSU's success above recruiting rankings due to Mullen or Mississippi high school players not being properly rated?

If Mississippi HS kids were properly rated by the recruiting services, what would the matrix say then?

Again, remember, Sweat & Fitzgerald were 3 star recruits.

[CadaverDawg]

This guy, and that gif.

[louisvilledawg]

Or just thinks morehead and staff will be a trainwreck. I would think even if Morehead is not a good coach (or if it just takes a season to get the team adjusted to his offense), we should win seven games just from our defense.

Who is Morehead?

[preachermatt83]

I'll say this... if we win only 7 games then Moorhead better be sent packing. I think we go 10-2 at worse. I'm calling 11-1.

[sleepy dawg]

Well stated. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Another thing: We are about to find out how good Mullen really was.

Was MSU's success above recruiting rankings due to Mullen or Mississippi high school players not being properly rated?

If Mississippi HS kids were properly rated by the recruiting services, what would the matrix say then?

Again, remember, Sweat & Fitzgerald were 3 star recruits.

We are about to find out how good Mullen is. If you look at the teams by recruiting alone, it's probably conceivable that you could pick us to win 7 games. Are the recruiting rankings that far off, is Mullen that good of developer, or is Mullen that good of a coach. One of those is true. Everyone just assumes Mullen isn't a good coach and we have amazing talent and that Morhead will just come in and dominate. This could very well be the case, but it we won't really know until this year.

[99jc]

I will bet anyone 25k we win more than 7 games. The only way we win only 7 is if Fitz and keys both break their ankles in the 1st game.

[ShotgunDawg]

We are about to find out how good Mullen is. If you look at the teams by recruiting alone, it's probably conceivable that you could pick us to win 7 games. Are the recruiting rankings that far off, is Mullen that good of developer, or is Mullen that good of a coach. One of those is true. Everyone just assumes Mullen isn't a good coach and we have amazing talent and that Morhead will just come in and dominate. This could very well be the case, but it we won't really know until this year.

Agree.

Mullen's success at MSU was labeled as "Mullen wins at in-spite of MSU"

If Moorhead wins at MSU, it should be labeled as "Moorhead wins & MSU is a good job"

[Commercecomet24]

Bartoo lives and dies by his matrix. If he says we win 8, he’s saying his matrix is shit.....guess what? His matrix is shit

Rep Given!

[BrunswickDawg]

Well stated. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Another thing: We are about to find out how good Mullen really was. -
Was MSU's success above recruiting rankings due to Mullen or Mississippi high school players not being properly rated?

If Mississippi HS kids were properly rated by the recruiting services, what would the matrix say then?

Again, remember, Sweat & Fitzgerald were 3 star recruits.

Mullen is an above average coach who is very good at evaluating talent and developing talent. Mullen took advantage of MS players not being properly ranked, but I think also had disdain for the recruiting process and baggage that comes with 5* divas based on his UF experience. That translated to us missing on high 4 and 5 star players and never fully realizing our potential because we were always a player like AJ Brown (or a player like Josh Robinson riding the pine) away. You can get away with that in MS at a program like MSU. He will not be able to follow that same philosophy at UF. It will be interesting watching that progress.

Where JoeMo seems to be so far - a very good coach (who may be great) who is very good at evaluating talent and developing talent (or else Fordham doesn't win and PSU doesn't advance), who is not afraid of what 4 & 5* recruiting brings with it and expects his coaches to be able to handle it or ship a kid out (see Bryant as an example). It will also be interesting to watch this develop.

[Jarius]

Bartoo lives and dies by his matrix. If he says we win 8, he’s saying his matrix is shit.....guess what? His matrix is shit

He doesn't say we win 8. He says winning 8 would be overachieving. That's some high level horse shit. I know Bo Bounds reads this board and I wish he would come on here and make a bet and set the terms regarding state winning 7 games. We will see if he has more money than sense.

[TrapGame]

Moorhead is basically Dan Mullen without the massive douche factor. He is installing a version of the RPO similar to Mullen's but better. We have a very capable group of asst. coaches. We have talent literally sitting on the bench waiting to play. Yet we will win only 7 games. I cannot wrap my head around that level of thinking.

Bartoo called Chad Morris the worst hire in the SEC yet has Arky winning one less game than us. He called Moorhead an inspired hire that proves MSU wants to take another step forward in the West, yet we will only win 7 games. His shit just doesn't make sense half the time.

[5049]

Just like Bill Connelly or Phil Steele, you have to take Dave Bartoo with a grain of salt. Yes, he's pumping his own version of 'advanced stats' but they are all flawed in some way. None of it hits above Vegas, which is obviously still not a very good bet. Perhaps if you get all 3 to agree on something, you might have a pretty good bet

None of them seem like they played football at all, ie they don't realize how important the trenches are, which is where we're most experienced

Statistics are simply a starting point, in any situation. For example, Steele will say we have a bunch of starters returning. Bartoo will say we have an unproven coach, Connelly will say our recruiting ranking will keep us from being elite. All have flaws, but you also have to prove the other direction, ie are our starters good? Do we have better players than our ranking? Will Moorhead be as good as Mullen? etc

[IMissJack]

Once we beat the crap out of LSU, AGAIN!, his and other's narrative will change.

[ShotgunDawg]

Once we beat the crap out of LSU, AGAIN!, his and other's narrative will change.

Sure, but these guys overthink things.

Bo believed in this team a couple of months ago, but the further away we get from last season, the more the media forgets their eye test & instead regresses back to using traditional model numbers that tell them what they "should" believe.

It's why the SEC predictions are basically the same every year regardless of the feeling you got directly following the previous season.

Here's a tip:

Rank the SEC teams for the following season within a month after the previous season, & don't change them unless new, substantial information emerges.

At the end of 2017, MSU passed the eye test as a top tier SEC team & they return everybody. If you forget that, you are doing your predictions a disservice.

This same phenomenon happens in the NFL draft, at the end of the CFB season, you know who the best players are, but then that changes after workouts & other things leading up to the NFL draft.

It's blinding

[Political Hack]

We will win 7 or more in our first 9 games. Anybody who thinks Florida is gonna leave DWS with a victory this fall has lost their damn minds. That place is going to be more electric than anything anyone has ever seen.

[Bulldog1]

We will win 7 or more in our first 9 games. Anybody who thinks Florida is gonna leave DWS with a victory this fall has lost their damn minds. That place is going to be more electric than anything anyone has ever seen.

Yep. Dan better bring 3 pairs of shorts.

[BrunswickDawg]

We will win 7 or more in our first 9 games. Anybody who thinks Florida is gonna leave DWS with a victory this fall has lost their damn minds. That place is going to be more electric than anything anyone has ever seen.

I'll go so far as to say we will be rolling into T-Town for a 1 v 2 match up of 9-0 teams. We might even be the #1 in that match up.
Schlabach on ESPN has us #20 right now. We will have beaten his Way too Early #23 LSU (on the road), #14 Auburn, UF (who will be ranked when we play them), a rebuilding A&M, K State and Kentucky on the road, and 3 cupcakes. Bama will have faced teams rebuilding (Lousiville, OM, A&M, Arky, MO and Tenn), cupcakes (Arky St., UL-L) and LSU

[Leroy Jenkins]

Seven wins? In that case I would like to place a very public, very real, bet with Mr Bounds for $10K. I will take the over. PM me, Bo.