Joe Moorhead and our RB's

[Todd4State]

I've seen the discussion about Fitz vs. Key being the starter next year. But the real discussion should be whether or not Kylin Hill should start for us next year over Aeris. One of the advanced football analytics web sites found that Hill had the third highest elusiveness rating of any returning RB in the SEC.

Now, I don't think Aeris should be benched. I would like to see us use a two running back system though- which is something that Dan didn't like to do. I noticed that Joe didn't do that a lot at Penn State, however he also had a special talent in Saquon Barkley and I can't really fault him for not splitting reps with him.

That's something that I am interested in seeing this spring and also next season is how Joe uses our running backs.

[Dildoes]

I’m thinking a lot of folks are gonna be pleasantly surprised by what we see out of A-train next year. I think we saw a little of it in the bowl game because he definitely looked quicker. But yea, no question that Hill is gonna get his carries next year. Maybe we have the makings of a poor man’s Chubb/Michel on our hands.

[msstate7]

I’m thinking a lot of folks are gonna be pleasantly surprised by what we see out of A-train next year. I think we saw a little of it in the bowl game because he definitely looked quicker. But yea, no question that Hill is gonna get his carries next year. Maybe we have the makings of a poor man’s Chubb/Michel on our hands.

I love aeris. I do not see anyone getting more carries than him this year. You right too... he was more explosive in bowl.

[bulldawg28]

If Moorhead is looking for the explosive back that will give him more Hill may beat out Williams. Williams leaves too many yards on the field falling after cuts and breaks. He slashes for 4-5 yards easily which makes him a great short yardage, goaline, and wear-down 4th qtr back. However, those plays where he goes 8 yards and slips after cutting Hill will take it 20 yards and potentially a TD. Williams may start due to leadership but Hill plays 50% of the time imo.

[msstate7]

If Moorhead is looking for the explosive back that will give him more Hill may beat out Williams. Williams leaves too many yards on the field falling after cuts and breaks. He slashes for 4-5 yards easily which makes him a great short yardage, goaline, and wear-down 4th qtr back. However, those plays where he goes 8 yards and slips after cutting Hill will take it 20 yards and potentially a TD. Williams may start due to leadership but Hill plays 50% of the time imo.

Did aeris leave a bunch of yards on the field? Maybe so, I am far from a rb expert. I do know this though... aeris rarely gets less than 3-4 yards. That is critical... we led the sec in 3rd down convergence rate in part (big part) to aeris keeping us in 3rd and short

[bulldawg28]

Did aeris leave a bunch of yards on the field? Maybe so, I am far from a rb expert. I do know this though... aeris rarely gets less than 3-4 yards. That is critical... we led the sec in 3rd dorm convergence rate in part (big part) to aeris keeping us in 3rd and short

Aeris is a great back we're fortunate to have him. From the eye test Hill is more explosive. What I mean by "leaving yards on the field" is he falls alot after alluding defenders or trying to cut. Williams is a great straight line runner. Hill however wouldn't fall on those cuts and extend those plays for more yards.

[RiverCityDawg]

Joe's scheme doesn't use two backs ever. I suppose he could always do something new, but I would be shocked. The entire system is based on just about 4 or 5 different formations. The pre snap and post snap options are numerous, but our fans are going to have to get use to seeing the same looks when we first line up.

As for Aeris and Hill, I absolutely think Hill could end the season with more touches than Aeris. Aeris is a good running back that routinely turns a 1 yard carry into a 3 or 4 yard carry. I think he also turns a 12 yard carry into a 3 or 4 yard carry sometimes. I think as the year goes on we will see more and more carries go to Hill even though he may not start any of the first several games or all season for that matter.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

3rd and 2 Aries......2nd and 5 Hill.

[Jack Lambert]

I say go You tube and watch Penn State offense and then make an opinion.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

When Kylin gets the vision that Aeris has he's going to be very special. That's the separation between the 2 right now. Aeris patience & vision is superior right now. Kylin is going to get that & when he does All SEC will follow.

[msstate7]

Aeris seems to be the most under appreciated MSU back I can remember. Has rushed for over 2000 yards in his career with an avg ~ 5 yards per carry.

Everyone loves boobie (and they should). Boobie rushed for 3994 career yards with an avg of 4.4 per carry.

If aeris rushes for the same amount of yards this season as last, he will be our 3rd leading rusher, ever. Only Norwood and boobie will have done better.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

I know everybody hates when blocking is mentioned about running backs. But last year Aeris was far superior compared to Hill in both pass protection and run blocking.

[Pollodawg]

If Moorhead is looking for the explosive back that will give him more Hill may beat out Williams. Williams leaves too many yards on the field falling after cuts and breaks. He slashes for 4-5 yards easily which makes him a great short yardage, goaline, and wear-down 4th qtr back. However, those plays where he goes 8 yards and slips after cutting Hill will take it 20 yards and potentially a TD. Williams may start due to leadership but Hill plays 50% of the time imo.

This.

[Pollodawg]

Hill could be another transcendent JRock/Boobie type back when he was the experience. But, and I’m about to get roasted, in my 31 years, Josh Robinson is the best back we’ve had from a pure talent, cut, elusive, quickness, standpoint.

[msstate7]

Hill could be another transcendent JRock/Boobie type back when he was the experience. But, and I’m about to get roasted, in my 31 years, Josh Robinson is the best back we’ve had from a pure talent, cut, elusive, quickness, standpoint.

Stats sorta back it up. Norwood avg 5.6 for career with best year at 6.0 and worst at 5.3. Boobie avg 4.4 for career with best at 5.4 and worst at 3.7. JRob avg 6.2 with best year at 6.3 and worst at 5.9.

These probably are not completely fair bc Norwood never played for Mullen. Norwood would have most likely got a big boost per carry like boobie did. Still, boobie did play for Mullen 1 year, and his avg that year was was .5 worse than JRob worst year

[Pollodawg]

Stats sorta back it up. Norwood avg 5.6 for career with best year at 6.0 and worst at 5.3. Boobie avg 4.4 for career with best at 5.4 and worst at 3.7. JRob avg 6.2 with best year at 6.3 and worst at 5.9.

These probably are not completely fair bc Norwood never played for Mullen. Norwood would have most likely got a big boost per carry like boobie did. Still, boobie did play for Mullen 1 year, and his avg that year was was .5 worse than JRob worst year

Yeah, the numbers do. JRob is sorta taboo around here now.

[WinningIsRelentless]

A-Train is the back next year. Look for him to have a huge year in the new offense. Its a good chance he is 4th roundish pick next year.

[BrunswickDawg]

Yeah, the numbers do. JRob is sorta taboo around here now.

That?s because everyone finally realized Mullen probably had legit reasons not to play JRob, but no one wants to admit it.

[Liverpooldawg]

I know everybody hates when blocking is mentioned about running backs. But last year Aeris was far superior compared to Hill in both pass protection and run blocking.

Yep, and that's why he played more. If that continues he will continue to play more. If Hill adds that to his game then he very well might take a few, or more than a few, carries away from Williams.

[Liverpooldawg]

That?s because everyone finally realized Mullen probably had legit reasons not to play JRob, but no one wants to admit it.

Unfortunately this is correct.