2nd hand from the Admin

[Goat Holder]

Not to mention Stans had been here like 12 years. I think he was given plenty of chances. And Stans wasn't just fired for Ws and Ls anyway, a lot more to that story.

[DownwardDawg]

You really think 8-10 wins per year is realistic? That means never going below .500 in the SEC.

8 wins should be expected.

[TimberBeast]

Everyone believed we were saving something for Bama since we weren't looking very good against the teams we were beating.

And do you all not remember who started that BS line of thinking and constantly posted it over the first half of the season last year?

[bully99]

Long thread.. Some good. Some bad. Some weird..But lots of fun reading the back and forth.

[Quaoarsking]

8 wins should be expected.

Until the SEC or NCAA does something about the huge revenue disparity, averaging an 8-4 season is not realistic.

[Madkinmecrazy]

Umm....have you ever thought that maybe we shouldn't hang on to these guys so long that they take us all the way back down to the bottom of the league before we fire them? My God, it is easy to see why we always have sucked and always will suck. Even the people that have seen the same cycle over and over and over and over for 70 damn years, can't even see what needs to be done...but instead want to repeat it AGAIN! Percho, what happens if Mullen wins 5 next year and then 3 the next? Keep holding on? I mean, surely that's the problem right? We aren't letting these coaches deep enough into the shitter to eventually miraculously climb out of it, right?

Ho. Ly. Smokes. Sometimes I just shake my head at the comments I read.

You know, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

[PMDawg]

You know, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

yeah, we should definitely try your approach instead. Let's hire a coach and give him free reign for no less than 20 years. No matter what the results. Seems entirely logical and well thought out.

While you're defining words, can you define "troll"?

[Madkinmecrazy]

Everyone on the board stopped reading after this. This shows you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Hud has family all around the Starkville area. He is home grown. He wants to be at State bad. I know one of his relatives. If he gets the State job, he will be paid millions of dollars to coach on national television each week in the SEC while living at "home". He'll be surrounded by friends and family. He would not leave.
The flip side of that though is that if he takes a big SEC job, say Arkansas, Florida, South Carolina, he ain't gonna give up millions a year at a winning program to come back home. Once he lands his SEC job, he's done.

I'm glad you know one of Huds relatives, I hope that makes you feel super special.

My point is that our fan base doesn't give a shit how many of his relatives you know or how much he likes Mississippi. We'll run him out of town after a down year too, and we'll question why we ever hired someone so inept. We'll make up some dumbass excuses about how Stricklin is ruining the program and Bracky makes us lose football games.

Our problem, as a fan base, is that we can't accept reality. We are having a bad year. It's not all because of Mullen. It's not all because of Bracky (he probably saved us from lost schollys). Its not going to get better by cleaning house and starting over with a guy that is completely unproved outside of the Sunbelt.

Tell Hud's cousins I say hello.

[HoopsDawg]

I'm glad you know one of Huds relatives, I hope that makes you feel super special.

My point is that our fan base doesn't give a shit how many of his relatives you know or how much he likes Mississippi. We'll run him out of town after a down year too, and we'll question why we ever hired someone so inept. We'll make up some dumbass excuses about how Stricklin is ruining the program and Bracky makes us lose football games.

Our problem, as a fan base, is that we can't accept reality. We are having a bad year. It's not all because of Mullen. It's not all because of Bracky (he probably saved us from lost schollys). Its not going to get better by cleaning house and starting over with a guy that is completely unproved outside of the Sunbelt.

Tell Hud's cousins I say hello.

your username is terrible and your posts are terrible. we have probably the most patient and non-delusional fan base in the country. The fact that we can have a 9 page thread debating Mullen's job security proves that. There's not another team in the SEC that would keep him if he finishes 4-8 this year. He only has 1 year in 5 to hang his hat on and that was 3 years ago.

[Madkinmecrazy]

yeah, we should definitely try your approach instead. Let's hire a coach and give him free reign for no less than 20 years. No matter what the results. Seems entirely logical and well thought out.

While you're defining words, can you define "troll"?

I didn't say 20 years, I just said that you don't fire a coach after one losing season.... especially after 3 straight bowl games that followed some of the worst years in MSU football history.

[engie]

Mine from the Pack -- but applicable here.

If Mullen finishes this year 5-7, he will be 34-29(.540) overall. In terms of SEC games, he would be 15-25(.375).
We are 536-535-40(.501) all-time on the field. In terms of SEC games, it is 200-368-18(.358) on the field.

Mullen is only 3.9% above our historical average in all games -- and only 1.7% above our historical average in SEC games.

By the purest of numbers(on-field results), Mullen hasn't "elevated us a tier" at all. He's been average -- even by our own lowly historical standards.

[Jack Lambert]

Man this thread has really turned into some serious personal attacks which is why many left Six Pack Speak.

[Madkinmecrazy]

your username is terrible and your posts are terrible. we have probably the most patient and non-delusional fan base in the country. The fact that we can have a 9 page thread debating Mullen's job security proves that. There's not another team in the SEC that would keep him if he finishes 4-8 this year. He only has 1 year in 5 to hang his hat on and that was 3 years ago.

There is absolutely nothing patient and non-delusional about demanding that the most successful coach in recent history be fired after 3 back-to-back-to-back bowl appearances because of a single down season.

[HoopsDawg]

There is absolutely nothing patient and non-delusional about demanding that the most successful coach in recent history be fired after 3 back-to-back-to-back bowl appearances because of a single down season.

If you choose to ignore all of the FACTS that engie has posted in this thread, then there is nothing I can say.

[CadaverDawg]

Uh, I think he's arguing AGAINST doing the same thing over and over and over again.

No, he THINKS he is arguing against it....but in reality, KEEPING Mullen will be history repeating itself because we will be allowing him to ruin everything he has built up. Going against our shitty history would be to see that we are trending downwards, admit it, thank him for his services, and hire an up and comer like Hudspeth that can recruit better than Dan. THAT would be not repeating history.

That's what some of our fans don't understand. It's not the firing a coach every 5 years that has kept us from never maintaining success....it's the allowing coaches to stay 1-2 years TOO LONG, and allowing them to ruin all positive momentum. That's why every damn coach we have is stuck in rebuild mode for their first few years. That's also why we never can get a really good coach to come in here. If we would actually watch what is happening not he field and make a change while the cupboard is still full...we could actually propel the program out of this endless cycle of build/rebuild that we've been in for 80 years

[CadaverDawg]

If you choose to ignore all of the FACTS that engie has posted in this thread, then there is nothing I can say.

Exactly.

And don't be surprised if several of these Mullen defenders are ole miss trolls. After all, they DO want Mullen to stay....which clearly says "all is well", right?

[Pollodawg]

No, he THINKS he is arguing against it....but in reality, KEEPING Mullen will be history repeating itself because we will be allowing him to ruin everything he has built up. Going against our shitty history would be to see that we are trending downwards, admit it, thank him for his services, and hire an up and comer like Hudspeth that can recruit better than Dan. THAT would be not repeating history.

That's what some of our fans don't understand. It's not the firing a coach every 5 years that has kept us from never maintaining success....it's the allowing coaches to stay 1-2 years TOO LONG, and allowing them to ruin all positive momentum. That's why every damn coach we have is stuck in rebuild mode for their first few years. That's also why we never can get a really good coach to come in here. If we would actually watch what is happening not he field and make a change while the cupboard is still full...we could actually propel the program out of this endless cycle of build/rebuild that we've been in for 80 years

Can you type this any bigger, since a lot of people really need to read it. Waiting to long to pull the trigger on a coach is every bit as bad as pulling it too early. Let me compatre our football program to my health. When I feel sick, I wait a little while. If I don't feel better, I go to the Dr. I don't wait until I am half-dead to do something about it. We've waited that little while. We know the program isn't getting better. We started feeling the twinges in 2011, felt a little better, then the bottom fell out at the end of 2012. Why wait until UK and Arkansas are both better than we are to make a change?

[Pollodawg]

People. He's had time. This is not a knee jerk reaction. Since 2011, our team has not gotten one tiny bit better, and has actually gotten progressively worse. Mullen's 2011 team--which finished 7-6-- would have beaten the breaks off of the 2012 and 2013 squads. How can you explain this away?

[engie]

There is absolutely nothing patient and non-delusional about demanding that the most successful coach in recent history be fired after 3 back-to-back-to-back bowl appearances because of a single down season.

"Bowl games" is window dressing BS to prop him up -- when NOTHING about that accomplishment can be compared to previous MSU coaches.

- When Bellard took over here, there were 12 total bowl games -- meaning you had to finish in the top 24 to go: Rose, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, Sun, Cotton, Gator, Citrus(Cap1), Liberty, Peach(ChickFilA), Independence, Holiday

- When Jackie took over here, there were 15 total bowl games -- meaning you had to finish in the top 30 to go: The above plus Hall of Fame(Outback), Copper(Buffalo Wild Wings), and Tangerine(Russell Athletics).

- When Croom took over here, there were 27 total bowl games.

- When Mullen took over here, there were 33 total bowl games. In his second year, 2 more were added: Heart of Dallas and Pinstripe Bowl. Taking the total number to 35.

- In 2014, there is expected to be 4 more bowls added: Bahamas, Boca Raton, Miami Beach, and Camellia bowls.

We're staring at 78 of 126 FBS teams playing bowl games next year.

By previous standards -- Mullen has had ONE bowl team here in 5 years.

[The Croom Diaries]

I thought one of the most interesting comments in this thread was that Croom had 10 SEC wins in 5 years, Mullen has 14 (with 3 more games this year).

Croom's 10 SEC wins were against teams that had a combined 57-66 record (.463)

Mullen's 14 SEC wins were against teams that had a combined 65-105 record (.382): includes UK's 2-7 record so far this year.

UK and OM account for EIGHT of Mullen's 14 wins. Basically the difference between the two right now is that Mullen has been able to beat OM and UK (Croom only won 4 vs. those two)....and they sucked just as hard - losing records for UK in 04 and 05, OM in 04, 05, 06, 07. Plus Mullen has been able to beat non-conference patsies that we should have been beating all along....including 5 FCS teams.