Hoops game tonight

[Thick]

He signed two players that won't play for MSU in 2013 and 1 of those never will. Those details get remembered.

Refresh my memory on the player that never will, please? My memory is a little fuzzy.

[Dawg61]

Travis Daniels and you could also add Quantel Denson to the list. Missing on 3 out of 4 signees is a recipe for disaster. Ray needs about 4 straight seasons he doesn't miss on the guys he signs.

[Coach34]

So in other words you are gong with the five year plan in a sport where one player can make a difference whether you are average or great. I think a fair amount of time to judge a coach in college basketball is three years. If he isn't doing it in three, he isn't going to do it.

well you can give that up- Ray will be here 4 years at least. Last year didnt even count in the Administration's mind- that went on Stands. In their eyes- this is Year 1

[tcdog70]

So in other words you are gong with the five year plan in a sport where one player can make a difference whether you are average or great. I think a fair amount of time to judge a coach in college basketball is three years. If he isn't doing it in three, he isn't going to do it.

Amen, You speak the truth. In Basketball three years is plenty of time .

[smootness]

So in other words you are gong with the five year plan in a sport where one player can make a difference whether you are average or great. I think a fair amount of time to judge a coach in college basketball is three years. If he isn't doing it in three, he isn't going to do it.

This is absurd. Just because one player can make the difference doesn't mean that a coach that doesn't immediately pull in studs in recruiting won't ever win. That's a joke.

Look at Tom Crean's record his first 3 years at Indiana. And keep in mind, that was Tom Crean, a known quantity with proven success in a major conference, and it was at Indiana, with way more advantages in their basketball program than a place like State.

I don't get this idea that just because there are fewer players and each individual recruit is more important, it means a coach better get it done quicker. It still takes time to build something unless you're John Calipari and every top recruit in the country follows you wherever you go.

[Quaoarsking]

So in other words you are gong with the five year plan in a sport where one player can make a difference whether you are average or great. I think a fair amount of time to judge a coach in college basketball is three years. If he isn't doing it in three, he isn't going to do it.

It took Andy Kennedy, what, 6?, years to make the NCAA Tournament...