Mullen and MSU history

[DownwardDawg]

you're embarrassing yourself with every post. For your own good, just stop. I'm embarrassed for you.

Me too. When I read that response I knew there was no need for me to even try.

[CadaverDawg]

This place was setup to "get away from the pack" -- yet is becoming more unbearable than it has ever been over there with the amount of Rebel trolls here ONLY to stir the pot as faux Bulldog fans. It literally CAN NOT get anymore obvious.

[DownwardDawg]

Since we beat Florida in the Swamp in 2010, the only other teams to do it are South Carolina, Florida State, and Bama. Let that sink in. We can win big games with CDM.

We beat (destroyed) college footballs all time winningest program in the Gator Bowl.

We've beaten our in-state rival 3 out of 4.

We haven't had any embarrassing losses to Maine, Jacksonville State, Troy, etc... under CDM.

CDM is tied for most bowl wins ever at MSU.

Until last year, CDM had given us the longest active bowl won streak in the nation.

CDM has taken to three consecutive bowl games in only four years.

in the end, it's not the coach. It's the program that's holding us back. To take this myopic viewpoint that CDM is the only thing that impacts wins and losses is extremely narrow minded.

CDM + the Ninja ='d excellence. We need changes, but we're pointing the fingers in the wrong direction.

The day Greg Byrne left MSU, we were sent right back to where we belong, the cellar of the SEC. He had us thinking different than we ever have. He had other SEC programs taking note and talking about us. People would ask me what happens when Mullen leaves State? My response, "who gives a shit. It's not about Mullen it's Byrne. He'll go out and hire somebody BETTER than Mullen."
Sigh....those days are gone. Imagine Hud taking a big job next year, Mullen winning 8 or 9 games next year and then taking another job elsewhere. Scott Stricklin would head up the coaching search for our football team.

[PMDawg]

You just said it "long term" if that is what you want then you stay consistent and keep Mullen. But if you want results now then hire Petrino. Who yes us not a sunbelt coach. He is an sec coach who has to coach there for a year while in Exodus. You watch some program will take him and do big time things.

With Petrini we become an instant contender in the media for the west with Hudspeth we reset and start a rebuild and if, IF, he is successful he then leaves for a bigger job. Thus putting us back at square one. That's why you stay with Mullen and not blink and keep the relentless effort

the point with Hud is that it wouldn't be a reset and rebuild. we already have the players to fit his system. He already coached this exact same offense under Mullen (not coincidentally for the 2 years that our offense was the most exciting it has been under Mullen).

You keep harping on him losing to SEC teams and barely beating sunbelt teams. News flash, genius, he's coaching a sunbelt team, not an SEC team. A historically terrible sunbelt team who is suddenly competing for sunbelt championships under Hud. If you really can't see any of this, then you're not a smart person. At all. I would wager a lot of money that my 6 year old is smarter than you. Otherwise, you're just a troll. Either way, I hope we get a mass purge of this idiocy soon (I'm looking at you, Mods). This is terrible.

[PMDawg]

Since we beat Florida in the Swamp in 2010, the only other teams to do it are South Carolina, Florida State, and Bama. Let that sink in. We can win big games with CDM.

We beat (destroyed) college footballs all time winningest program in the Gator Bowl. And we haven't beaten anyone since

We've beaten our in-state rival 3 out of 4. get back to me in 3 weeks

We haven't had any embarrassing losses to Maine, Jacksonville State, Troy, etc... under CDM. You're right. But if feels like we are getting awfully close lately

CDM is tied for most bowl wins ever at MSU. This has been discussed ad naseum. apples to oranges these days

Until last year, CDM had given us the longest active bowl won streak in the nation. totally meaningless, and he only had 2 of those

CDM has taken to three consecutive bowl games in only four years. see 2 posts above

in the end, it's not the coach. It's the program that's holding us back. To take this myopic viewpoint that CDM is the only thing that impacts wins and losses is extremely narrow minded. It's both.

CDM + the Ninja ='d excellence. We need changes, but we're pointing the fingers in the wrong direction.

The ninja hasn't been calling our plays or coaching our players for the last 3 seasons

[RougeDawg]

That is some of the stupidest shit I've ever read on a message board.

"being complacent and satisfied with anything less than #1 is unacceptable"

You are going to have a long, hard life buddy. I feel sorry for anyone that knows you.

Long life for striving to be the best at whatever you do? Is that what I'm hearing? You are a moron and loser if you do anything where you do not strive for the best and to do your best. Not acceptin failure and underperformance. Jesus Christ some of you have no drive and accept shit.

What's the point of doing something at all, if you are ok and complacent with mediocrity? Your statement and others in tho thread are further proving the fact I am trying to make. Our fan base overall is satisfied with mediocrity. I'm not but I can't do everything and change the mindset of our fans who are ok with the occasional 8 win season, while our team consistently shits the bed in big games.

[4Dawgs4Life]

You're either 12, a girl, or a troll. My guess would be all 3

Once someone starts name calling you know you've won the argument. I see you rarely win any. In fact I don't know how you get away with the name calling.

[4Dawgs4Life]

Hey, 4Dawgs4Life, let me you ask you a question...is Urban Meyer a MAC coach? Or is Jim Tressel just an FCS coach?

Dang it, why am I engaging?!

You are naming TWO coaches. Really? For everyone if those coaches I could name 10 that bombed. That us a silly example.

[JeanPeesSittingDown]

This place was setup to "get away from the pack" --

If I'm not mistaken, the point you are arguing for seems like it is WITH the pack. I feel like myself and few others on this board are the ones that are not with the pack on this one.

[4Dawgs4Life]

No I guess we gotta scream like a bunch of chicken littles to fit in over here!

Sheesh I guess I would have been accepted if I had come on here and started a thread titled "Fire Mullen now and Hire HUD!"

[PassInterference]

Other than the 98 season (a down year for several programs) you have to go all the way back to 1941 to find any meaningful success for football here.

Sherrill had several great years. 3 or 4 times were were in the driver's seat or in the race for the SEC West - right down the last week or two of the season.

We had one of the smallest stadiums and lowest attendance in the league. Because of Mullen that has improved, DRASTICALLY! Because of Mullen we actually tailgate now, we show and have some passion now.

A big stadium expansion happened under Sherrill. Before that expansion, the stadium only sat 42,000 but we packed it and got rowdy. Sherrill saw the expansion to 55,000 - and we packed it and got rowdy. Even through the first 2-3 years of Croom we had good attendance (trust me you don't want to argue attendance with FlabLoser).

Tailgating? Been happening a long time. It hit a new level when The Junction was built and that happened before Mullen.

I realize with the great success Mullen has had that expectations and passion has risen. So I think Mullen is actually becoming a victim of his own success. Use to we didn't care. We just knew we would win in baseball and basketball and just wanted to be able to beat TSUN now and then in football.

There is some truth to this. Mullen has raised the floor and we expect more.

It would be more accurate to say that outside of a terrible coaching hire in Sly Croom, MSU football has been steadily on the rise since 1990. That's not to say there is never a down year, or never a couple of down years. But football here has been on the rise for a long time. Its just taking a while to recover from the Croom mistake where we went backwards while most of the SEC kept moving forwards.

Look, Alabama can sign so many players. And they can only play 11 at a time. There is plenty of opportunity for us to keep getting better as a program. We'll get back to being competitive for the top of the SEC West. We just need to make some administrative tweaks to help us get there.

[engie]

No I guess we gotta scream like a bunch of chicken littles to fit in over here!

Sheesh I guess I would have been accepted if I had come on here and started a thread titled "Fire Mullen now and Hire HUD!"

You'd have been accepted if you came here reading and giving your thoughts -- instead of starting a bunch of ridiculous threads that had been done 20 times in the past 6 weeks.

[4Dawgs4Life]

You'd have been accepted if you came here reading and giving your thoughts -- instead of starting a bunch of ridiculous threads that had been done 20 times in the past 6 weeks.

Wasn't here six weeks ago. But instead of being an ass how about just not open the thread and reply? I mean is someone there forcing your finger to clikc the mouse?

[engie]

Wasn't here six weeks ago. But instead of being an ass how about just not open the thread and reply? I mean is someone there forcing your finger to clikc the mouse?

Threads are saved for a reason. If you wouldn't start stupid threads, I wouldn't open them and tell you how stupid they are.

Starting a new thread to beat a totally dead horse -- in a totally redundant manner without a single fresh idea whatsoever -- is going to get you slaughtered on here. Simple fact of life.

[4Dawgs4Life]

A big stadium expansion happened under Sherrill. Before that expansion, the stadium only sat 42,000 but we packed it and got rowdy. Sherrill saw the expansion to 55,000 - and we packed it and got rowdy. Even through the first 2-3 years of Croom we had good attendance (trust me you don't want to argue attendance with FlabLoser).

I can agree with most of that. Yes it has been on the rise. I realize tailgating has been happening and the junction was created before Mullen. But is there really an argument that passion got to an all time high with Mullen's 2nd and 3rd years?

That's all I'm trying to say. I do appreciate the intelligent response without the name calling though. Awesome reply

[Todd4State]

I like this. Why can't we schedule a team like this:

Arizona
Washington
Minnesota
Boston College
Virginia
Iowa State

Because even if those teams are an easy win they are going to want a return game or an outrageous sum to play one game in Starkville. That means fewer home games in Starkville, which means lost revenue and one less game that recruits have a chance to go to, and money that MS has to spend to send the team to somewhere like Ames, Iowa. They also aren't going to create any more excitement than playing Louisiana Tech or any other Sun Belt team. So, in other words- it doesn't make any sense for us and either way win or lose it doesn't make any sense for us financially.

There's a lot more to the schedule than the "just get six wins" accusation. Nevermind the fact that the whole reason I and most fans with a brain want a manageable schedule is to give us a better chance at 8-10 wins rather than just to squeak by with 6. Not to mention the fact that we've noticed that going with that scheduling philosophy hasn't worked for us historically- so of course, we have fans that want to keep doing what hasn't worked historically in the name of "interesting".

[Todd4State]

A big stadium expansion happened under Sherrill. Before that expansion, the stadium only sat 42,000 but we packed it and got rowdy. Sherrill saw the expansion to 55,000 - and we packed it and got rowdy. Even through the first 2-3 years of Croom we had good attendance (trust me you don't want to argue attendance with FlabLoser).

I can agree with most of that. Yes it has been on the rise. I realize tailgating has been happening and the junction was created before Mullen. But is there really an argument that passion got to an all time high with Mullen's 2nd and 3rd years?

That's all I'm trying to say. I do appreciate the intelligent response without the name calling though. Awesome reply

This is wrong. Sincerely, 1998 Arkansas.

[4Dawgs4Life]

Agree with Todd don't really remember, with the exception of a game here and there, it being nearly as good as the last few years. Now granted this year fans are jumping ship and we couldn't fill the stadium for a Thursday night sec television audience. But for the most part we have done pretty well with attendance. But that Thursday looked really bad on TV once I got home and watched replay.

[HunterDawg]

Because even if those teams are an easy win they are going to want a return game or an outrageous sum to play one game in Starkville. That means fewer home games in Starkville, which means lost revenue and one less game that recruits have a chance to go to, and money that MS has to spend to send the team to somewhere like Ames, Iowa. They also aren't going to create any more excitement than playing Louisiana Tech or any other Sun Belt team. So, in other words- it doesn't make any sense for us and either way win or lose it doesn't make any sense for us financially.

There's a lot more to the schedule than the "just get six wins" accusation. Nevermind the fact that the whole reason I and most fans with a brain want a manageable schedule is to give us a better chance at 8-10 wins rather than just to squeak by with 6. Not to mention the fact that we've noticed that going with that scheduling philosophy hasn't worked for us historically- so of course, we have fans that want to keep doing what hasn't worked historically in the name of "interesting".

So, with $30 million in TV money we still can't afford to play anybody? Can't afford to play a game that would be on national TV and get us great exposure? Can't afford a game that would sell tons of tickets and season tickets? Maybe we are just too cheap to participate in big time football. Can't afford the hotel rooms for the players?

All we ever do on national TV is get pounded by SEC powerhouses. All big time recruits ever see is us getting blasted. Recruits in other states don't get the Alcorn game and darn few even see the Ky game. Play BYU on Thursday night on ESPN and see if beating them doesn't help.

National recruiting is all about national exposure and we will never get there with only instate talent. We have to establish a presence and our OOC games aren't going to do that for us. We can't hide under the porch and run with the big dogs.

Do you think the CWS helped our baseball recruiting or was it just a waste of money to go up there?

[Todd4State]

So, with $30 million in TV money we still can't afford to play anybody? Can't afford to play a game that would be on national TV and get us great exposure? Can't afford a game that would sell tons of tickets and season tickets? Maybe we are just too cheap to participate in big time football. Can't afford the hotel rooms for the players?

All we ever do on national TV is get pounded by SEC powerhouses. All big time recruits ever see is us getting blasted. Recruits in other states don't get the Alcorn game and darn few even see the Ky game. Play BYU on Thursday night on ESPN and see if beating them doesn't help.

National recruiting is all about national exposure and we will never get there with only instate talent. We have to establish a presence and our OOC games aren't going to do that for us. We can't hide under the porch and run with the big dogs.

Do you think the CWS helped our baseball recruiting or was it just a waste of money to go up there?

It's not a question of "can we afford it?" as much as it is about "what is the smartest way to spend our money?" We can afford to do it- but is it smart? Financially it's not because it would cost us home games along with the other things I mentioned.

All recruits see are wins and losses. They look at the bottom line. And if you have a lot of wins and are going to good bowls- that's what is attractive to them. Not us playing Maryland. How many recruits are going to say "Yeah! I saw State play Boston College." The best exposure we can possibly have is beating Alabama, LSU, and the other big boys in the SEC. That's the truth. Everything else is Scott blowing smoke up everyone's ass. See the Oklahoma State debacle this year where all the National media talked about was Oklahoma State and we got embarrassed and beat up and the Kentucky Thursday night game that was "the only game on" if you don't count the NFL game and the World Series.

If we want to start to beat SEC powerhouses- you don't do it by getting yourself beat up playing BYU and not developing your depth. If our head coach can't take advantage of that- that's on him and it should be addressed, but the way to address it is not to play BYU. It's up to the coach and the players to start beating better teams- but it's up to the MSU AD to put them in a situation to do it.

How many MSU fans do you know that sit around the Junction and say- "gee I really want to see us play Iowa State"? Probably about as many that sit around and say "I want to see us play Bowling Green." So, why if you are the athletic director would you not take the cheaper option and better chance to win?

And as far as recruiting nationally- we're MUCH better off focusing on Mississippi than trying to pick all the talent out of Iowa or Maryland. Mississippi is where we are and where most of our top recruits come from. We can build a very solid program with Mississippi talent and then adding in some players from the surrounding area- Louisiana in particular. Again, we just need a coach that can manage the roster a little bit better and use the schedule to his advantage. Don't believe me? Look at where our recent top draft picks are from- Sherrod, Cox, Banks, and now Gabe Jackson. And in the very near future- Chris Jones.

Who is hiding under the porch and hiding from the big boys? We play Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, and Auburn every year. Arkansas and Ole Miss are respectable programs most years- plus whatever team we play from the east not named Kentucky. It's that redneck "I'm a tough guy" attitude that led to us playing Auburn, Alabama, LSU, and Ole Miss all in a row on the road in the 50's and 60's that has led to our current state of the program. And you're wanting to go back to it? Who are you trying to impress? ESPN? Recruits with our losing record? Recruits in Utah? It's not about being scared- it's about being smart. If we were USM in their heyday, I'd be all for playing people like Alabama, LSU, etc non-conference. Because otherwise they don't play anyone in conference worth a darn. We are the opposite. We play in the most difficult conference in America.

Wait a minute- we scheduled a CWS appearance? Someone tell Bianco you can do that. I think it helped us just like going to the Sugar Bowl would help the football program. Oh wait- the best way to do that would be with a manageable schedule. And before you argue "well our SOS would be too low!" - remember last year we were just outside the top 10 in the BCS last year when we were undefeated. Right before we played the top teams in the SEC- Bama, LSU, and A&M. And winning those three would have vaulted us to the top not to mention beating Georgia in the SEC championship game.

The formula to win big is there, but we have too many fans with their heads in the sand to see it. Instead we have morons that think all we're going for is 6-6 so that we can keep Dan. All the while proposing a model that would actually cost us more money and hurt our recruiting even more and has been proven to not work.