Fighting hudspeths just kicked off on espnu

[CadaverDawg]

Neither points I made today were dumb. They were my opinions but you're the one who attacks them and says they make no sense.

My first point of the day was regarding the turnover issue against USC. If we don't turn the ball over and all other items being equal we win the game. The stats and everything else backs me up on this point. I just stated on this issue lets agree to disagree because it's obvious neither of us will change our opinions on this point.

The second point is that once Spurrier retires from USC they will fade back into mediocrity or worse. They also don't have much history and considering their last two coaches Holtz and Spurrier could only get them as far as they did makes sense to me they will fade back into mediocrity or worse. There was a big reason that AD left to take the A&M job. I also think they regress next year because they won't have the leadership of Shaw or the abilities of Clowmey. I think they will be 6-6 next year.

My point to all of this is that I can deal with disagreements and like good discourse. I just thought your responses have been a bit on the attacking side so I called you an ass. I apologize for calling you an ass. And I will end these two discussions with those points.

No, you didn't state them as opinions. Do you know the difference in a fact and an opinion? You said, "if we don't turn it over, we win". You weren't saying that was your opinion....you were saying it was a fact, and you are still trying to say it in this post!

And no, you didn't say they would only regress after Spurrier left....you said they would regress "even with Spurrier". See, if you would have actually said the things you are claiming you said, instead of the things you ACTUALLY said, you wouldn't have been called out.

I am all for a good debate, but don't get mad when I point out mistakes and lack of foundation in your posts. I am wrong all the time, and instead of changing my story and spinning my words, I just take responsibility for getting it wrong. I don't dislike you...I actually enjoy a lot of your posts. But get thicker skin, or else be more accurate with your posts if you don't like debating and getting them called out.

[MarketingBully01]

I would hope USC was a stable upper echelon program in the SEC since they had two hall of fame coaches to get them there. My point is they will not hire another hall of fame coach and the foundation will crumble...

[4Dawgs4Life]

We couldn't outbid Baylor for Briles. They would pony up way more than we could ever offer.

[Dawg61]

Just like MSU has increased their revenue 6x over in the last 5 years USC is going to have tremendous growth in money. I don't see them falling back because they are too rich to do so right now. It would take a historically bad hire to go back to a 4-8 type team. They are rich. Even if they hire a shitty coach (very doubtful) they have so much going for them in everything else surrounding the football program it'll be enough to mask said shitty coach to be at worst a 6-6 team. Then they'll just hire another coach till they get it right. They might fall back to 6-6. At worst.

[MarketingBully01]

Understood, I will be quiet now. . What I meant to say and what I typed didn't come across too well. I apologize for that. I enjoy the opinions on this board as well. I tend to let emotion sometimes get the better of me. I will just stop here. Sorry for the confusion I caused.

[Dawg61]

We couldn't outbid Baylor for Briles. They would pony up way more than we could ever offer.

Spending money on academics I believe this. On sports I think MSU is ahead but they are building a new stadium so maybe not.

[Dawg61]

Understood, I will be quiet now. . What I meant to say and what I typed didn't come across too well. I apologize for that. I enjoy the opinions on this board as well. I tend to let emotion sometimes get the better of me. I will just stop here. Sorry for the confusion I caused.

Don't be quiet just be more Incognito and a little less Martin. Ha

[4Dawgs4Life]

Baylor is way way way ahead on endowments and like Oregon decided to get serious about football

[CadaverDawg]

Don't be quiet just be more Incognito and a little less Martin. Ha

Haha +1

[Dawg61]

Baylor is way way way ahead on endowments and like Oregon decided to get serious about football

This article disagrees with you. Feel free to link one saying that Baylor will now start putting in lots of academic money towards football. http://businessofcollegesports.com/2...g-12-football/

[engie]

Baylor is way way way ahead on endowments and like Oregon decided to get serious about football

Endowment money has nothing at all to do with athletics. If it did, college sports would be run by Harvard and Yale.

We can bid with Baylor. But we can't with the teams that are actually going after Briles this year.

[4Dawgs4Life]

Ok keep thinking we have the cash Baylor has...for all of you that think we can just pay a buy out and then hire a Briles don't mind me when in a two years we are back to the drawing board because we, as a fan base, didn't have relentless effort and patience with Coach Mullen.

[engie]

Ok keep thinking we have the cash Baylor has....

Thanks. We will. Because it's an indisputable fact.

for all of you that think we can just pay a buy out and then hire a Briles don't mind me when in a two years we are back to the drawing board because we, as a fan base, didn't have relentless effort and patience with Coach Mullen

Poor ole MSU.

Explain to me how "relentless effort" and patience(complacency) are the same thing? They are alot closer to antonyms than synonyms.

[sandwolf]

We couldn't outbid Baylor for Briles. They would pony up way more than we could ever offer.

I really don't have any idea as to whether or not we could outbid Baylor for Briles, but even if we could, I don't think it would matter. The guy was born and raised in Texas, played WR at Houston, graduated from Texas Tech, spent the next 30 years coaching at Texas high schools, coached running backs at Texas Tech, then became the head coach at Houston, and now he is at Baylor.......it is safe to say that the guy is a fan of the state of Texas, and as long as he is able to make millions of dollars and win football games there, I really don't see him leaving for any program outside the state, much less MSU.

[bulldawg28]

I'm not seeing what the Hud woolies are seeing. Hud struggled with the same team Mullen destroyed. Hud had a big lead and almost lost it. That's the same crap our know all fans hold over Mullen's head. And before you start with SEC talent versus Sun belt remember our talent is medicore In comparison to the SEC and Freeze. Another thing Hud is bringing in transfers and equal talent to State's two and three stars. I also saw no fire on the sideline.

[4Dawgs4Life]

I really don't have any idea as to whether or not we could outbid Baylor for Briles, but even if we could, I don't think it would matter. The guy was born and raised in Texas, played WR at Houston, graduated from Texas Tech, spent the next 30 years coaching at Texas high schools, coached running backs at Texas Tech, then became the head coach at Houston, and now he is at Baylor.......it is safe to say that the guy is a fan of the state of Texas, and as long as he is able to make millions of dollars and win football games there, I really don't see him leaving for any program outside the state, much less MSU.

THIS!

[Jack Lambert]

You really think USC is here to stay? Spurrier won at Duke. That is all I will say. When Shaw and Clowney leave, they will not be good. They will be a 6-6 team at best even with Spurrier coaching. It also doesn't help that Clemson is starting to do better in football as well. Heck if they didn't have Shaw the past two weeks, they would be on a two game losing streak even with our turnovers. That second string QB is not good and they would have shown just how youthful they are. It's amazing what a great senior QB on offense and the number one overall draft pick on defense can do to mask a lot of issues.

And the sad part is our AD picked Rocky over Spurrier to become head coach at Miss State. Yes folks we could have had him.

[Political Hack]

I'm not seeing what the Hud woolies are seeing. Hud struggled with the same team Mullen destroyed. Hud had a big lead and almost lost it. That's the same crap our know all fans hold over Mullen's head. And before you start with SEC talent versus Sun belt remember our talent is medicore In comparison to the SEC and Freeze. Another thing Hud is bringing in transfers and equal talent to State's two and three stars. I also saw no fire on the sideline.

Hud's a great coach. Kart night wasn't his best showing for sure... but like I say with Dan, bitching about a win is stupid in college football. I am just fine beating BGSU and UK by one score every single season. Just don't lose.

That said, I'm still firmly in CDM's corner and I think it's dumb not to be before the season is even over. We've sill got football to play.

[Jack Lambert]

What about when they lost Lattimore? What about Alshon Jeffrey? What about Garcia? Hell, I could go look up all the NFL players they've had on the roster the last 5-6 years. They have lost tons of talent over the past several years and have not seen any regression that I can see. Clowney may be their most talented player, but he's not been their best this year. They've been reloading, not rebuilding, for years now.

Spurrier gets the credit for building them up, but SC has been building that program up for longer than Spurrier has been there. It started with the Holtz hire, and then he retired and gave way to Spurrier. Between the 2 of them, that program has been stable as an upper echelon SEC program for a decade plus now. Maybe they have had a year or 2 not at that level, but for the most part they are consistently in the discussion. That program stability has them in position to maintain this level for years to come. Could they hire Sly Croom part deux and regress? Sure. But they could also hire almost anyone they want and continue to maintain and/or build.

When you post things that have no foundation, your posts get challenged.

I can see them dropping because they were able to get those guys because they Had Spurrier coaching. Other then Saban who would you want to play for if you had a chance. Thier recruiting will drop off unless they make the right hier.

[PMDawg]

I'm not seeing what the Hud woolies are seeing. Hud struggled with the same team Mullen destroyed. Hud had a big lead and almost lost it. That's the same crap our know all fans hold over Mullen's head. And before you start with SEC talent versus Sun belt remember our talent is medicore In comparison to the SEC and Freeze. Another thing Hud is bringing in transfers and equal talent to State's two and three stars. I also saw no fire on the sideline.

Your trolling would go better if you didn't bring up Freeze for absolutely no reason at all. Besides that, we know we don't have fans this ignorant of football.