Scrimmage vs UAB

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

Ray is going to get at least 4 years. I dont think there is any type of NCAA Tourney requirement- but we better be close and look like the program is on the brink again

No tourney requirement for 4 seasons? If he can't make it in 4 years that means he can't recruit for shit and should be gone. I will choose to believe that a reason we had to settle for Rick Ray was because people did not want to take on a rebuilding project so it should be easier to get a decent coach after Ray does the transitional work.

[quickstrike2]

This doesn't sound good. Knew going in it would be a bad year, but i was hoping to compete with schools like this.

[MarketingBully01]

Hey, Jarod Haase knows basketball and was tenured by Roy Williams. He was a star at Kansas and won national championships at North Carolina as an assistant. His resume is ten fold better then Ray's.

[MarketingBully01]

Yep and in a sport we absolutely dominated Ole Miss in (which is basketball) that hire assured us that they will close the gap and surpass us. I am surprised no one has mentioned this.

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

This doesn't sound good. Knew going in it would be a bad year, but i was hoping to compete with schools like this.

I am definitely for giving Ray a chance. I am happy with 16+ wins this season.

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

Yep and in a sport we absolutely dominated Ole Miss in (which is basketball) that hire assured us that they will close the gap and surpass us. I am surprised no one has mentioned this.

So basketball has to boil down to essentially how well Ole Miss is doing? If Ole Miss is your barometer for success in basketball you are really really aiming low. Ole Miss made the tourney for the first time in a decade last season and they will go back to not making the tourney this season. Andy Kennedy is still a mediocre coach.

[MarketingBully01]

It's not a barometer for success. My point was we dominated Mississippi in recruiting for basketball. We just gave that in for Ole Miss and even Southern Miss to creep in. Heck our barometer for success with Ray it seems is just to be mediocre and Stans did that as his floor. Seems stupid to me.

[Red Sox Dawg]

My only "agenda" is wanting a competitive basketball program again. And rays brought in 3 classes now, about to be 4 in two weeks when the first recruiting period ends.

Wow 4 classes and he has't been here but 1 year, amazing. The first class was really last year, this will be the second. What he was left with when he got here was a frigging mess. I would say technically he is about to sign his 3rd. (Stans had already signed or had commits first year).

[Dawg61]

It's a ****ing scrimmage guys and we have injured players that didn't play. Basing opinions off of a closed door scrimmage is ruhtarded. Can we make it to game 1 before we want Ray canned atleast

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

It's not a barometer for success. My point was we dominated Mississippi in recruiting for basketball. We just gave that in for Ole Miss and even Southern Miss to creep in. Heck our barometer for success with Ray it seems is just to be mediocre and Stans did that as his floor. Seems stupid to me.

Stansbury had a nice run but he had lost whatever he had before and was regressing. It was time to replace him. Hopefully we will do that sooner rather than later with football. As far as MS recruiting a lot of Stansburys best players did not come from MS.

[Johnson85]

For whatever reason or reasons, we chose to blow up our basketball program.

We didn't blow up our basketball program. In hindsight, yes Stansbury was given a year too long, but I don't think you can call that "exploding" the basketball program. If we had fired Stansbury a year earlier, I'm not sure we're any better off except that we're a year further into rebuilding. Maybe the roster would have looked more attractive to potential coaches, but not giving Stansbury another year to turn it around would have potentially scared away good candidates just as much as the state of our roster when we hired Ray.

The fact of the matter is we were in a shitty decision. The fact that the program imploded after giving Stansbury an extra year does not mean we exploded it by not firing him sooner. At the time, it was an entirely defensible decision and it isn't even clearly wrong with hindsight.

[Coach34]

My only "agenda" is wanting a competitive basketball program again. And rays brought in 3 classes now, about to be 4 in two weeks when the first recruiting period ends.

lmao- Ray got the job 18 months ago. He found some scraps to bring that Spring. He has had 1 recruiting class so far.

That's a pretty ugly agenda you got on your shoulder there

[Barking 13]

SMDH

[maroonmania]

It's not a barometer for success. My point was we dominated Mississippi in recruiting for basketball. We just gave that in for Ole Miss and even Southern Miss to creep in. Heck our barometer for success with Ray it seems is just to be mediocre and Stans did that as his floor. Seems stupid to me.

People, might as well wake up and smell the coffee, our days of dominating anybody in football or basketball recruiting appear to be sadly coming to a close. Maybe I'm off but appears to me that for us being totally clean is much more important than being competitive.

[dawgs]

I guess sucked is a relative term. Getting beat on your home court multiple times by 50+ is a new low. Stans never had that type of whipping on him and in fact had one losing season because we didn't know Bender would blow up in the McDonald's All American game and be picked sixth overall.

If there is one thing we have learned about this is that change for the sake of change is not the answer. Let that sink in for all you guys who want Mullen gone. We could end up with a Ray hire in football. That IMO would crush the biggest money sport we have and surely lead to Stricklin being fired. But I digress.

it wasn't "change for the sake of change" though. stans was not getting it done period. he wasn't recruiting like he did earlier in his tenure, and the better players he was signing were increasingly likely to be headcases. we literally ran the exact same offense since i was in HS. i could draw up our plays and i'm not even a huge basketball nerd that analyzes that kinda stuff. we could never really grab a strangle hold on the sec west despite being the most talented team in the west among a bunch of schools that didn't care all that much about improving their basketball over the past decade. stans should have been putting up 12-4 or better conference records nearly every year over the 7 or 8 years of his tenure, but instead he'd inexplicably lose 3-4 games that we had no business losing, and we'd go 8-8 or 9-7 or 10-6 and be on the bubble with several bad Ls on our resume.

sure we all knew there was a chance we would take a major step back with stans, but we also knew we were pretty much never going to be anything but a bubble team with headcases up and down the bench moving forward with stans. sure it provides a little excitement but ultimately it ****ing sucked. so it was time to do something. maybe it works out or maybe it doesn't but we weren't winning shit without a change. if ray doesn't work out, then we make another hire in a few years.

[Political Hack]

The solution to everything for MSU fans. Fire the coach.

I thought it was the 2nd string QB? Just imagine how good we'd be with a replacement coach and our best QB on the bench!!!

[Dawg61]

Good post dawgs

[Barking 13]

it wasn't "change for the sake of change" though. stans was not getting it done period. he wasn't recruiting like he did earlier in his tenure, and the better players he was signing were increasingly likely to be headcases. we literally ran the exact same offense since i was in HS. i could draw up our plays and i'm not even a huge basketball nerd that analyzes that kinda stuff. we could never really grab a strangle hold on the sec west despite being the most talented team in the west among a bunch of schools that didn't care all that much about improving their basketball over the past decade. stans should have been putting up 12-4 or better conference records nearly every year over the 7 or 8 years of his tenure, but instead he'd inexplicably lose 3-4 games that we had no business losing, and we'd go 8-8 or 9-7 or 10-6 and be on the bubble with several bad Ls on our resume.

sure we all knew there was a chance we would take a major step back with stans, but we also knew we were pretty much never going to be anything but a bubble team with headcases up and down the bench moving forward with stans. sure it provides a little excitement but ultimately it ****ing sucked. so it was time to do something. maybe it works out or maybe it doesn't but we weren't winning shit without a change. if ray doesn't work out, then we make another hire in a few years.

Stains problem was me me me me me and me me me off the bench

[MadDawg]

Heck our barometer for success with Ray it seems is just to be mediocre and Stans did that as his floor. Seems stupid to me.

This is what I never understand. If you are gonig to fire a coach for not meeting your expectations, why do those expectations CHANGE when you bring in a new coach? Stupid.

[dawgs]

This is what I never understand. If you are gonig to fire a coach for not meeting your expectations, why do those expectations CHANGE when you bring in a new coach? Stupid.

because we had a gutted roster and he didn't have a fair shot to bring in even low end major conference caliber recruits to fill it out the recruiting class in the spring signing period? i think everyone expects there to be improvement this season because (1) all our best players last season were freshmen and should be improved and (2) we won't be relying on walk ons to be our 6th and 7th men during much of the conference season.