Moment of truth for those that want Hud - Do you want him bad enough to lose Egg Bowl

[hacker]

I'll try to find the specific ruling on the matter. Haven't seen it in awhile and am just going off memory on that.

Either way, we've got OVs lined up for days**

MSU OV list:


contrasted with our brothers to the north:


Per Scout, Ole Miss has ALREADY had 2 5* and 10 4*s OFFICIALLY visit -- with another 5* and 4 4*s on deck. MSU has had ZERO visits period -- with one 3* scheduled for MARCH.

Nothing to see here -- recruiting is going just fine**

I'm vehemently against firing Mullen, but what exactly is going on here? Jesus, OM has 10 4*s left on their board?

[CadaverDawg]

Wow at this bs. If the players are too mentally weak to take message board criticism, we're already screwed. Maybe you are right -- and that's why they fold at the first sign of adversity every time Mullen runs Bell's ass out there to shank another chip shot. Nice job of building in your excuses preemptively though.

When you face adversity, you either fight -- or you quit. I haven't seen a LICK of fight from anyone associated with our program in 2 years here, and I'm pissed off about it. I'm going to raise 14 kinds about that until someone on OUR team steps up and proves me(happily) wrong and hits someone in the mouth, puts their foot on their throat, and keeps it there for 4 quarters.

Coach content with mediocrity -- players content with mediocrity -- "fans" complaining at other fans that aren't accepting of less than 100% effort from coach and team... And somehow, this is the message boards' fault? LOL

This^ is a strong post.

[engie]

I'm vehemently against firing Mullen, but what exactly is going on here? Jesus, OM has 10 4*s left on their board?

What's going on is we're getting our asses TOTALLY dominated in recruiting. Last year could be dismissed as an outlier. This year can not.
They've got 6 4*s in the boat. They've got 14 4*s and 3 5*s officially visiting BEFORE we've got our first OV of the year -- all of which they think there is some remote shot at -- and after last year, who can blame them. They are expected to get 4 more 4*s -- and that's with an average "close" -- not a rockstar close like they had last year.

Yes -- they are cheating. Yes -- they are being investigated. Yes -- they are going on probation with us. And yes -- they are recruiting at a level that, if sustained, puts them very close to the elite teams in our conference from a talent standpoint as soon as next season -- and certainly by 2015.

The sooner we face that reality, and come up with a gameplan for countering it, the better off we will be. I think "my" gameplan is pretty obvious at this point...

[HancockCountyDog]

What's going on is we're getting our asses TOTALLY dominated in recruiting. Last year could be dismissed as an outlier. This year can not.
They've got 6 4*s in the boat. They've got 14 4*s and 3 5*s officially visiting BEFORE we've got our first OV of the year -- all of which they think there is some remote shot at -- and after last year, who can blame them. They are expected to get 4 more 4*s -- and that's with an average "close" -- not a rockstar close like they had last year.

Yes -- they are cheating. Yes -- they are being investigated. Yes -- they are going on probation with us. And yes -- they are recruiting at a level that, if sustained, puts them very close to the elite teams in our conference from a talent standpoint as soon as next season -- and certainly by 2015.

The sooner we face that reality, and come up with a gameplan for countering it, the better off we will be. I think "my" gameplan is pretty obvious at this point...

What they are doing is selling the SEC to players that normally go to Michigan, Nebraska and iowa.

They are using that and the mystique of Oxford and playing the, "why go to Bama and do what has been done before, come here and do something special"

As diluted as their fans are, they genuinely have bought into the "why not us" attitude. It's something I wish we had. They have beaten Bama for 4 OL in the last 12 months. FOUR! They are going heads up with Bama on Hampton and heads up against FSU for Pack and though they are wasting their time, they are going after Green until the bitter end.

Mullen better be right about some of the commits we have on board, because he needs a class to come through big time.

[ShotgunDawg]

What they are doing is selling the SEC to players that normally go to Michigan, Nebraska and iowa.

They are using that and the mystique of Oxford and playing the, "why go to Bama and do what has been done before, come here and do something special"

As diluted as their fans are, they genuinely have bought into the "why not us" attitude. It's something I wish we had. They have beaten Bama for 4 OL in the last 12 months. FOUR! They are going heads up with Bama on Hampton and heads up against FSU for Pack and though they are wasting their time, they are going after Green until the bitter end.

Mullen better be right about some of the commits we have on board, because he needs a class to come through big time.

Mullen very well could be, but do you guys really think he is this dumb? Do you really think they sit over in the football building throwing shoes at the wall out of anger because they can't figure out how OM gets so many visits from highly rated players? Do you really think they don't try and get players from Illinois, Michigan, etc to visit?

Guys, Mullen may be stubborn, but he isn't dumb. OM isn't using some mysterious recruiting strategy that no other school can figure out. They are paying players and offering benefits for players to visit. It's the only thing that makes sense. I can't imagine that Mullen and Co aren't attempting all the same recruiting strategies that OM is. All sports leagues are copy cat leagues.

After the Humphrey tweet a few weeks ago, I have started think that this recruiting problem has much less to do with Mullen than the alumni recruiting situation we have.

You guys give Freeze and his "recruiting strategy" WAY to much credit. I mean, have you guys heard Freezus talk. He comes across well, but he ain't no rocket scientist. He isn't outsmarting the entire college football world when it comes to recruiting.

Do you really think OM is recruiting well because their fans have bought in the "why not us" attitude?

Come on man, the main reason everyone on this board has been pissed all week is because the MSU fan base has the "why not us" attitude.


Doesn't OM already have 21 commits? How many more can they take?

[engie]

You guys give Freeze and his "recruiting strategy" WAY to much credit.

He put together the best class by a nontraditional power in the history of recruiting rankings last year. No, I do not think we are giving him too much credit. How does downplaying the success he's having help us? It doesn't.

I know all about how they get the visits. The point is -- they are doing it more and/or better than anyone that isn't a "big boy" has in a bunch of years. They are under investigation. And there's not even a hint of it slowing them down right now.

[ShotgunDawg]

He put together the best class by a nontraditional power in the history of recruiting rankings last year. No, I do not think we are giving him too much credit. How does downplaying the success he's having help us? It doesn't.

I know all about how they get the visits. The point is -- they are doing it more and/or better than anyone that isn't a "big boy" has in a bunch of years. They are under investigation. And there's not even a hint of it slowing them down right now.

I'm not trying to downplay his success. Just saying that his basic strategy, minus the cheating, isn't any better than anyone else's. The cheating is whats getting it done, not his being creative and offering kids from the mid-west.

[engie]

I'm not trying to downplay his success. Just saying that his basic strategy, minus the cheating, isn't any better than anyone else's. The cheating is whats getting it done, not his being creative and offering kids from the mid-west.

Correct... But ultimately, it doesn't matter "how" it's getting done -- just that it is getting done.

[ShotgunDawg]

Correct... But ultimately, it doesn't matter "how" it's getting done -- just that it is getting done.

No doubt, just trying to make sure people are looking at this from the right perspective

[Goat Holder]

Wow at this bs. If the players are too mentally weak to take message board criticism, we're already screwed. Maybe you are right -- and that's why they fold at the first sign of adversity every time Mullen runs Bell's ass out there to shank another chip shot. Nice job of building in your excuses preemptively though.

When you face adversity, you either fight -- or you quit. I haven't seen a LICK of fight from anyone associated with our program in 2 years here, and I'm pissed off about it. I'm going to raise 14 kinds about that until someone on OUR team steps up and proves me(happily) wrong and hits someone in the mouth, puts their foot on their throat, and keeps it there for 4 quarters.

Coach content with mediocrity -- players content with mediocrity -- "fans" complaining at other fans that aren't accepting of less than 100% effort from coach and team... And somehow, this is the message boards' fault? LOL

Sort of like the Bowling Green game? I know many MSU teams from yesteryear that fold and take that beating, a few of them coached by King Jackie.

Effort is not our guys problem. Personnel and some questionable in-game coaching is.

If you want to get mad and throw tantrums, at least get mad at the right things.

['Merica Dawg]

to simple its simple... Beat UK, UPig, and OM.... added to the fact we take USC, TAM, and Bama to the brink. I will be content with Mullen. Otherwise, I can here the NSYNC song playing in my head.

I have always been on the Mullen train, but we are now able to see a body of work with a larger sample size from Mullen. The most glaringly obvious fault I now have against Mullen is: WE HAVE ONE OF THE MOST TALENTED DROP BACK PASSERS IN MSU/MISSISIPPI HISTORY AS A 5TH YEAR SENIOR AND WE CANT BUILD AN OFFENSE TO SUIT HIM. Any GOOD coach knows how to think outside the box and tailor systems around his best players. And that's a fact Jack. Coach would you agree?

I remember Tyler Russell slicing and dicing a good South Panola team in the state championships... what happened to that kid? I think he was better then than he is now.

[SnakePlissken]

I'm vehemently against firing Mullen, but what exactly is going on here? Jesus, OM has 10 4*s left on their board?

You do realize that we couldn't have official visitors due to the self imposed penalties don't you? This is NOT on Mullen. Bracky offered up these penalties to the NCAA and we can't have official visitors until after the UK game. Those visitors that were at our games on the sidelines all had to buy their own tickets and pay their own way.

[engie]

You do realize that we couldn't have official visitors due to the self imposed penalties don't you? This is NOT on Mullen. Bracky offered up these penalties to the NCAA and we can't have official visitors until after the UK game. Those visitors that were at our games on the sidelines all had to buy their own tickets and pay their own way.

So, we can't schedule any in advance?

Rosey has us at one -- for March. Paul has us at zero. There is NO excuse for that at this point. Doesn't have much to do with how many we've already hosted -- but the fact that we obviously aren't recruiting on the level we have the past couple of years -- and it APPEARS to be because we don't give a shit and aren't trying.

[hacker]

You do realize that we couldn't have official visitors due to the self imposed penalties don't you? This is NOT on Mullen. Bracky offered up these penalties to the NCAA and we can't have official visitors until after the UK game. Those visitors that were at our games on the sidelines all had to buy their own tickets and pay their own way.

Yes, but do you realize the image indicates that we don't have any OVs set up until March?