Moment of truth for those that want Hud - Do you want him bad enough to lose Egg Bowl

[Todd4State]

And now on top of that- we have threads like this one on why we should keep the obviously disinterested and declining football coach.

[TheRef]

FFS, can we just drop this? I'm about sick and tired of every single 17'ing week seeing a thread with, essentially, "FIRE MULLEN!!! HIRE HUD!!! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE IN A FLAMING BALL OF FIRE!!!" Look. I'm not in the Fire Mullen/Keep Mullen crowd. I'm not in the Hire HUD/ Forget HUD crowd. I'm just here to watch a few games and enjoy a good analysis of games. But obviously that's too damn much to ask on a message board. I understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But we don't need to have a thread on every HUD game and break down how well/poor he would do in the SEC if he was our coach. We will cross that bridge when we come to it. But until then, CALM THE EVER LIVING SHIT DOWN. /rant. Excuse my french.

[maroonmania]

FFS, can we just drop this? I'm about sick and tired of every single 17'ing week seeing a thread with, essentially, "FIRE MULLEN!!! HIRE HUD!!! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE IN A FLAMING BALL OF FIRE!!!" Look. I'm not in the Fire Mullen/Keep Mullen crowd. I'm not in the Hire HUD/ Forget HUD crowd. I'm just here to watch a few games and enjoy a good analysis of games. But obviously that's too damn much to ask on a message board. I understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But we don't need to have a thread on every HUD game and break down how well/poor he would do in the SEC if he was our coach. We will cross that bridge when we come to it. But until then, CALM THE EVER LIVING SHIT DOWN. /rant. Excuse my french.

I agree this is a BAD thread. But we need something, somewhere to light a fire under Mullen's butt. Heck, lately he really acts lately like he is fine with winning, fine with losing. He used to at least act like he was determined to raise our program up to higher standards but no longer do I get that feeling.

[dawgs]

MSU never learns from their past mistakes in football. A few vocal people will say we need to do this and that- and then the school will do it for a little while and lo and behold it will work- only to go back to the S. O. S. that wasn't working before. It BLOWS MY MIND.

give me a ****ing break with schedule bullshit. okie st lost to wvu. they didn't play all that great against us. we could have easily won that game, and if playing okie st instead of tulane is the difference between a good season and a bad season, then you don't understand what a good season is.

[maroonmania]

give me a ****ing break with schedule bullshit. okie st lost to wvu. they didn't play all that great against us. we could have easily won that game, and if playing okie st instead of tulane is the difference between a good season and a bad season, then you don't understand what a good season is.

Personally I don't think I've ever seen a Mullen MSU team that could have beaten a decent BCS conference team in the OPENING GAME. We never look like we are prepared when we open up the season. We should stick to SWAC teams or bad D-1 teams to open up with to sort out the kinks that we always have.

[Goat Holder]

My how things will have come full circle since 2009...

Funny enough 2009 was when we accomplished exactly what you say we can't.....beating a favored Ole Miss team when we were 4-7.

BWA HA HA full circle indeed.

[AROB44]

I agree this is a BAD thread. But we need something, somewhere to light a fire under Mullen's butt. Heck, lately he really acts lately like he is fine with winning, fine with losing. He used to at least act like he was determined to raise our program up to higher standards but no longer do I get that feeling.

Maybe he know something we don't. I must add that this is absolutely pure speculation on my part.

[TUSK]

In the Dubose era. And it was the "right" thing to do.

Because that is the only way it will happen.

There is just no way Strick fires Mullen if he beats the bears, even at 5-7. Just no way.

The only way he fires him is if he goes 5-7 with a blowout loss to the bears.

Do you really want Hud that bad to sit through a 2008 or 2012 level beat down to bucky and watch the bears get to probably 8 wins and a decent bowl?

Are you that committed to Hud, because that is what it would take. Im not there, and I like Hud a lot, but I can't stomach a loss to those shitbirds in our house.

[engie]

Funny enough 2009 was when we accomplished exactly what you say we can't.....beating a favored Ole Miss team when we were 4-7.

BWA HA HA full circle indeed.

The 2009 team had tremendous heart. We saw it every week. That's been absent from mullen's last two teams here -- and I don't care what the excuse for it is -- it's a fact.

[BulldogBear]

Funny enough 2009 was when we accomplished exactly what you say we can't.....beating a favored Ole Miss team when we were 4-7.

BWA HA HA full circle indeed.

I swear and does nobody see that we could end up doing to them exactly what they did to us last year? Though I prefer to have the 6th win before then. The Egg Bowl odds are in our favor anyway. I keep saying it...3rd -12th in SEC this year are beating each other up. This guaranteed UM Egg Bowl victory crap is getting old. If the players don't get up for another game but 1, it will be that one. If they can't get up for UM... then blame doom and gloom crap like this that so many people naively think the players aren't reading. Y'all are telling them they can't win the Egg Bowl, so don't be surprised when they come out of the field house half beaten already.

[Todd4State]

give me a ****ing break with schedule bullshit. okie st lost to wvu. they didn't play all that great against us. we could have easily won that game, and if playing okie st instead of tulane is the difference between a good season and a bad season, then you don't understand what a good season is.

I'm not talking just about that. Playing on Thursday nights, going away from how to use the scoreboard to get the fans involved, gimmick uniforms, blindly supporting a coach because of past accomplishments alone, etc. It's the total package.

[BulldogBear]

I'm not talking just about that. Playing on Thursday nights, going away from how to use the scoreboard to get the fans involved, gimmick uniforms, blindly supporting a coach because of past accomplishments alone, etc. It's the total package.

I know it's the least important of the issues you mentioned and I don't even agree with all of 'em, but this is the one that drives me freaking crazy. But I'm a traditionalist asthetically. I like to have an identity as far as unis go. I give Oregon a pass because crazy uniforms that have little to do with their school colors is their identity. Somebody asked me about bidding on a pink helmet and I said I wouldn't be interested till it was maroon and white. Sadly, I think if enough time pases and they run out of shades of green they WILL wear a maroon and white uni some day.

[dawgs]

I'm not talking just about that. Playing on Thursday nights, going away from how to use the scoreboard to get the fans involved, gimmick uniforms, blindly supporting a coach because of past accomplishments alone, etc. It's the total package.

well i think i misread your use of "S.O.S." to mean "strength of schedule", not "same old shit". but to more directly answer to rest of your post...

i have no problem with a thursday night game after a bye. we have more than enough time to get healthy and prep for it, we still have 8 days to get healthy and prep for the next game, and we're the only CFB game on ESPN. fine by me.

the scoreboard shit sucks, but that's a problem across the country, college basketball, CFB, NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, it doesn't matter. it is what it is at this point, but we definitely aren't doing somethings others aren't. i don't like it, but hard for me to focus my anger at our ath dept when apparently someone likes that shit since everyone else , college or pro, does it.

i don't care about uniforms. if you win, none of your fans care what you wear. if you lose, it's just something pissed off fans use to pile on.

if you think i blindly support mullen, then you haven't read my posts. i'm definitely not in the fire him now camp, i'm in the let's see what happens the rest of the season camp. and i've been pretty critical of a lot of things i'd like to see him change.

[Todd4State]

well i think i misread your use of "S.O.S." to mean "strength of schedule", not "same old shit". but to more directly answer to rest of your post...

i have no problem with a thursday night game after a bye. we have more than enough time to get healthy and prep for it, we still have 8 days to get healthy and prep for the next game, and we're the only CFB game on ESPN. fine by me.

the scoreboard shit sucks, but that's a problem across the country, college basketball, CFB, NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, it doesn't matter. it is what it is at this point, but we definitely aren't doing somethings others aren't. i don't like it, but hard for me to focus my anger at our ath dept when apparently someone likes that shit since everyone else , college or pro, does it.

i don't care about uniforms. if you win, none of your fans care what you wear. if you lose, it's just something pissed off fans use to pile on.

if you think i blindly support mullen, then you haven't read my posts. i'm definitely not in the fire him now camp, i'm in the let's see what happens the rest of the season camp. and i've been pretty critical of a lot of things i'd like to see him change.

Well, technically there is the MTSU/Marshall game on Thursday as well which is of no concern- but even more pressing we will be competing with the NFL that night and Game 2 of the World Series. It's also a major inconvenience for our fans who have to work the next day and it also is a headache for recruits who either won't come because they want to focus on their high school game the next day or it gives them an opportunity to visit another school on Saturday. And then the JUCO's can't come because most of them are playing on Thursday night. I'm sure there are a lot of people that may not "mind it"- but I also believe that if you gave people a choice they would prefer Saturday. We can only accomplish so much with one extra day off- and I suspect we most likely would use it to rest players.

The "scorebaord shit" doesn't go on at Bama, LSU, etc. It goes on and works in baseball because they know ahead of time that there are 9 defined innings with at least one and usually two distinct stoppages in play. Football isn't like that.

As far as the uniforms, I was referring to the Snow Bowl uniforms. We glorified an Independence Bowl victory. A game that marked the end of an era- and the beginning of a sharp decline. Because it snowed.

As far as you individually blindly supporting Dan- I wasn't referring to you or anyone as an individual blindly supporting Dan, but rather the entire group as a whole.

[engie]

If they can't get up for UM... then blame doom and gloom crap like this that so many people naively think the players aren't reading. Y'all are telling them they can't win the Egg Bowl, so don't be surprised when they come out of the field house half beaten already.

Wow at this bs. If the players are too mentally weak to take message board criticism, we're already screwed. Maybe you are right -- and that's why they fold at the first sign of adversity every time Mullen runs Bell's ass out there to shank another chip shot. Nice job of building in your excuses preemptively though.

When you face adversity, you either fight -- or you quit. I haven't seen a LICK of fight from anyone associated with our program in 2 years here, and I'm pissed off about it. I'm going to raise 14 kinds about that until someone on OUR team steps up and proves me(happily) wrong and hits someone in the mouth, puts their foot on their throat, and keeps it there for 4 quarters.

Coach content with mediocrity -- players content with mediocrity -- "fans" complaining at other fans that aren't accepting of less than 100% effort from coach and team... And somehow, this is the message boards' fault? LOL

[engie]

i have no problem with a thursday night game after a bye. we have more than enough time to get healthy and prep for it, we still have 8 days to get healthy and prep for the next game, and we're the only CFB game on ESPN. fine by me.

Half of our SEC home games are on Thursday. Our ONLY TWO home Saturday SEC games are virtually guaranteed blowout losses.

On our first SEC Saturday game, LSU, we were barred from having official recruiting visits to as part of our self-imposed sanctions. You can't really OV recruits on a Thursday game. This is especially true for JUCO guys looking to make decisions soon -- because they PLAY on Thursday and go to games on Saturdays. You also can't hardly OV recruits on Thanksgiving. So, that leaves us with ONE big home recruiting weekend -- against #1 Alabama -- where our fate in the game is all-but-sealed -- and the atmosphere won't be electric because no one believes we have a chance -- along with a jumbotron that will do commercials all game long when music should be playing.

And people wonder what is wrong with our recruiting? We can't get out of our own way on ANY level -- and it starts at the VERY TOP. Strick f'd Mullen, recruiting, and the fans with this schedule. For a little extra TV time? He might as well have taken a payday and moved our home games against Florida to Jacksonville**

[dawgs]

The "scorebaord shit" doesn't go on at Bama, LSU, etc. It goes on and works in baseball because they know ahead of time that there are 9 defined innings with at least one and usually two distinct stoppages in play. Football isn't like that.

well i haven't lived in or near the south in nearly a decade, so i haven't been to any sec road games in that long. i have been to other CFB games and i've been to pro games, and they do a lot of the same shit. goofy kiss cams, cartoon races, trivia, etc always sponsored by someone. the straight up commercials are definitely lame, and not as prevalent around the rest of the country, but definitely aren't limited to just msu either.

[dawgs]

Half of our SEC home games are on Thursday. Our ONLY TWO home Saturday SEC games are virtually guaranteed blowout losses.

On our first SEC Saturday game, LSU, we were barred from having official recruiting visits to as part of our self-imposed sanctions. You can't really OV recruits on a Thursday game. This is especially true for JUCO guys looking to make decisions soon -- because they PLAY on Thursday and go to games on Saturdays. You also can't hardly OV recruits on Thanksgiving. So, that leaves us with ONE big home recruiting weekend -- against #1 Alabama -- where our fate in the game is all-but-sealed -- and the atmosphere won't be electric because no one believes we have a chance -- along with a jumbotron that will do commercials all game long when music should be playing.

And people wonder what is wrong with our recruiting? We can't get out of our own way on ANY level -- and it starts at the VERY TOP. Strick f'd Mullen, recruiting, and the fans with this schedule. For a little extra TV time? He might as well have taken a payday and moved our home games against Florida to Jacksonville**

well i live 2500 miles away, so i am not as in tune with everything as some of yall, but that does make me change my opinion. i hadn't thought about it with relation to total sec home games, cruitin' visits, ncaa punishment, etc.

i guess my question is why was the lsu game chosen? did we choose that one ourselves? or were we told that was the game by the NCAA? if we self-imposed that game, then we are ****ing idiots. we should have self-imposed alcorn st or BGSU or tomorrow night even (knowing that a lot of players couldn't make it anyway).

but in general i don't mind a thursday night game after a bye week. in this specific situation, maybe not the best choice, but in general, i'm not opposed.

[engie]

I'll try to find the specific ruling on the matter. Haven't seen it in awhile and am just going off memory on that.

Either way, we've got OVs lined up for days**

MSU OV list:


contrasted with our brothers to the north:


Per Scout, Ole Miss has ALREADY had 2 5* and 10 4*s OFFICIALLY visit -- with another 5* and 4 4*s on deck. MSU has had ZERO visits period -- with one 3* scheduled for MARCH.

Nothing to see here -- recruiting is going just fine**

[BulldogBear]

Wow at this bs. If the players are too mentally weak to take message board criticism, we're already screwed. Maybe you are right -- and that's why they fold at the first sign of adversity every time Mullen runs Bell's ass out there to shank another chip shot. Nice job of building in your excuses preemptively though.

When you face adversity, you either fight -- or you quit. I haven't seen a LICK of fight from anyone associated with our program in 2 years here, and I'm pissed off about it. I'm going to raise 14 kinds about that until someone on OUR team steps up and proves me(happily) wrong and hits someone in the mouth, puts their foot on their throat, and keeps it there for 4 quarters.

Coach content with mediocrity -- players content with mediocrity -- "fans" complaining at other fans that aren't accepting of less than 100% effort from coach and team... And somehow, this is the message boards' fault? LOL

All I'm saying is that I don't think the doom and gloom is called for yet. I go to almost every home game yell like a banshee at stupid coaching decisions and bad plays but for the most part leave it all "on the field." I don't think we are in a crisis and have to freak out when we haven't played in almost two weeks and in the meantime our rival has played and ULL has played twice. Hey, where's the fire? If we don't handle Kentucky then we have some smoke. I believe in giving our team and coaches a chance to respond to what has amounted to a gauntlet thrown down in front of them since BGSU before we concede the Golden Egg. For the record I believe we are going to win the Egg Bowl. I do not deal in prefabricated excuses. I'm expressing my frustration at what amounts to watching people run out of a theatre screaming "FIRE, FIRE!" only to walk into said theatre to discover a still-lit cigarette discarded on the carpet by a curtain. It's a problem that if left unfixed can lead to disaster but let's give the fire dept a chance before we panick.

Sorry for the rant and the anology. It's not really a board's fault of course (especially since not all of us are panicking) but that meltdown and Hudspeth NOW stuff.... DOES NOT HELP THE TEAM.