Does Cohen Give Mullen An Extension Without Firing Hev first?

[BulldogBear]

We got garbage points against both because they were way ahead. With the game on the line- our offense did nothing.

This. The hard truth we actually got our butts kicked (fudge packed actually) in both these games. Either could have named their score if they hadn't quit.

Our six win season wasn't because of the O Line. It's because of the Defense sucking.

Agreed. At least insomuch as I would put more blame on D than O. There is also that kicking thing. But that may really be included with O.

[War Machine Dawg]

Rushing offense -- 5th in sec
Sacks allowed -- 2nd in sec
TFL allowed -- 3rd in sec

So, were the recruiting rankings wrong or is Hev a good coach? Seems it would have to be one or the other.

Definitely want to improve oline recruiting... not saying I'm happy with that. I do think Hev gets ripped when his group has consistently outperformed say our safeties, yet all we hear is oline

This has to be one of the strangest abnormalities/conundrums in the SEC

It's not an abnormality or a conundrum. Hev is a good "coach" meaning he can develop guys and get the most out of their natural ability. He's routinely getting 1 and 2 star players playing like 2-4 star players. And our offense, when run correctly, helps some of those numbers look better. We all saw how bad the OL was last year and early this year when we were trying to throw a lot.

The problem, as most of us continue to point out, is that Hev is a recruiting albatross. He's a lazy MFer who doesn't do what it takes to get quality recruits. I'm not so sure he's a shitty talent evaluator as much as he just doesn't want to do what it takes to sign legit 3-5 star OL prospects. And let's be real honest, most of the 3-star OL we're getting are actual 2-stars. Paul is getting them bumped because he's got one of the largest and most active 247 sites. If Hev got legit SEC OL talent to work with, I can't fathom how good our OL would be. It's bad that I'm longing for a Croom OL. Still no OL drafted recruited solely by Hev is a damning stat.

[War Machine Dawg]

Wow msstate7 has destroyed y'all in this thread. ****ing BRUTAL fatality bruh!! I have just switched from the "fire Hev line" to the "don't let Hev talk to any recruits line" cause it seems pretty damn obvious Hev can actually coach the boys up he is just an asshole and doesn't need to talk to any of them till they are signed sealed and delivered.

The problem with this is obvious and simple: Players and parents want to meet their position coach and get to know him. It just can't be avoided. If it could be done, I'd be all for it.

[NCDawg]

Summarizing, we have a poor OL coach and recruiter, and a first year DC who doesn't seem to be all that capable. Urban Meyer realized that Hevesy wasn't the OL coach that he wanted so he transferred him to TE coach. Mullen brought Hevesy here from Florida and gave him the OL coach and "Running Coordinator" co-oc job. He is his friend and apparently Mullen will not do anything to hurt his feelings. We will therefore never be a top contender for the SECW if Mullen doesn't do what is necessary to remedy the situation.

[Dawg61]

The problem with this is obvious and simple: Players and parents want to meet their position coach and get to know him. It just can't be avoided. If it could be done, I'd be all for it.

Hevesy Catfish

[msstate7]

Summarizing, we have a poor OL coach and recruiter, and a first year DC who doesn't seem to be all that capable. Urban Meyer realized that Hevesy wasn't the OL coach that he wanted so he transferred him to TE coach. Mullen brought Hevesy here from Florida and gave him the OL coach and "Running Coordinator" co-oc job. He is his friend and apparently Mullen will not do anything to hurt his feelings. We will therefore never be a top contender for the SECW if Mullen doesn't do what is necessary to remedy the situation.

Thought Hev was moved to tackles and TEs by Meyer

[HSVDawg]

Hevesy Catfish

I'm going to disagree with Random Poster's earlier comment. THIS is your best post ever.

[lamont]

Thought Hev was moved to tackles and TEs by Meyer

He was in 2008- and had Mullen not hired him- he was going to be fired

[blacklistedbully]

We got garbage points against both because they were way ahead. With the game on the line- our offense did nothing.

RP, you're correct on the AU game, but not on LSU. We got the ball back, down just 3 points, with 2:15 seconds left. Plenty of time to get in FG range to tie or even score a game-winning TD.

Also consider just prior to that last drive, LSU's punter boomed a 61-yard punt that backed us up to our 23. Had he hit a normal punt, we almost assuredly get that ball back near mid-field with over 2 minutes left, and a lot less desperate.

LSU game was not "garbage time". LSU failed to even score in the 2nd half.

[msstate7]

He was in 2008- and had Mullen not hired him- he was going to be fired

Wow... didn't realize you were so connected with urban Meyer

[lamont]

RP, you're correct on the AU game, but not on LSU. We got the ball back, down just 3 points, with 2:15 seconds left. Plenty of time to get in FG range to tie or even score a game-winning TD.

Also consider just prior to that last drive, LSU's punter boomed a 61-yard punt that backed us up to our 23. Had he hit a normal punt, we almost assuredly get that ball back near mid-field with over 2 minutes left, and a lot less desperate.

LSU game was not "garbage time". LSU failed to even score in the 2nd half.

LSU was up 23-6 with 5 mins left in the game. They relaxed a little and Williams surprised them with 2 passes. When we got the ball back that last time- we got 2 yards in 4 downs. LSU got serious again and stuffed our ass- just like they had the first 55 mins of the game.

[lamont]

Wow... didn't realize you were so connected with urban Meyer

"If you dont know, now ya know"- Biggie

[msstate7]

"If you dont know, now ya know"- Biggie

Haha

[3rdGen]

Wow! I just need a minute to change my draws! ........ DAMNIT! It happened again. Be right back.

[Todd4State]

The problem with this is obvious and simple: Players and parents want to meet their position coach and get to know him. It just can't be avoided. If it could be done, I'd be all for it.

Exactly. It's not unreasonable at all for a recruit to want to know their position coach. We need to either move him to the office or fire him. I don't care which we do.

[NCDawg]

Exactly. It's not unreasonable at all for a recruit to want to know their position coach. We need to either move him to the office or fire him. I don't care which we do.

Agreed. Now if someone could convince the Head Coach.

[msstate7]

In the same thread guys are saying Hev needs to just not talk to recruits bc he rubs them wrong and then others are pissed for doing what the others want.

I definitely think Hev needs to step up the oline recruiting, but Hev's oline outperformed a bunch of sec teams that have more stars on the oline. Hev performed solid this year and I expect another solid year next season

[blacklistedbully]

LSU was up 23-6 with 5 mins left in the game. They relaxed a little and Williams surprised them with 2 passes. When we got the ball back that last time- we got 2 yards in 4 downs. LSU got serious again and stuffed our ass- just like they had the first 55 mins of the game.

Down 3 with 2:15 left in a game is not a game that was made close due to "garbage time". You're being misleading when you reference them being up 23-6 with 5 minutes left, because you are leaving out the fact that at that point we were 1st & 10 on the LSU 25, about to get a TD to make it 23-13. A minute and 1/2 later it was 23-20.

[lamont]

Down 3 with 2:15 left in a game is not a game that was made close due to "garbage time". You're being misleading when you reference them being up 23-6 with 5 minutes left, because you are leaving out the fact that at that point we were 1st & 10 on the LSU 25, about to get a TD to make it 23-13. A minute and 1/2 later it was 23-20.

I'm not being misleading at all. We werent doing shit on offense for 55 minutes and LSU was in complete control of the game. Damien came in and provided a spark somehow that they werent expecting. We got 2 quick scores because their guys relaxed and thought the game was over. When we got the ball back with 2 mins left- their D got motivated again and completely stuffed our ass like they had the 1st 55 mins.

Is that LSU's fault for relaxing? Absolutely. But to act like we were doing anything offensively against them is ridiculous. We had 270 total yards of offense that night- and got 100 of those in the last 5 mins. For the first 54 mins of the game- we had 170 yards of offense. We were being dominated.

[dawgday166]

In the same thread guys are saying Hev needs to just not talk to recruits bc he rubs them wrong and then others are pissed for doing what the others want.

I definitely think Hev needs to step up the oline recruiting, but Hev's oline outperformed a bunch of sec teams that have more stars on the oline. Hev performed solid this year and I expect another solid year next season

The final overall stats do indeed not look that bad.

However, upon taking a deeper look into the stats, I wouldn't say Hev performed solid the whole year. More like half a year.

We had less than 400 yds total offense against USA, LSU (less than 300 at 270), AU (less than 300 at 289), BYU, and KY. Less than 100 yds rushing against USA and LSU (only 56), and only 103 against AU.

We had 3 seniors, including our center, who had all started for multiple years. Calhoun and Jenkins are RS Sophs who had started before, and Rankin was a Juco 4* who had redshirted a year. Took half a year to get going which shouldn't happen at all, much less when your first 6 games have USA, a very bad USCe team, Umass & KY. Came out of that stretch 2-4.

It shouldn't have taken so long to get that group playing pretty decent, especially against 4 of the 1st 6 teams IMO. And my perception has always been it takes a while for him to get a group to gell and play together cohesively.

I'm not saying fire Hev just yet, but taking into account this and what seems to be fairly solid evidence of his recruiting deficiencies, I'd say the leash needs to be somewhat shortened up here.

I'm personally giving the whole staff some rope and waiting to see what happens with the rest of recruiting and then next season too.