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Time will tell. I think Cohen will do good things, have not a clue bout baseball coach except my Lsu buddies think it's a home run hire if true. They know more bout him as a coach than say......All the negative posters on him.
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Originally Posted by
preachermatt83
I'd hire butch before I hired some LSU assistant who has coached baseball for 2 years.
Holy moly. Rando, you believe this guy just said this?
Listen, I get the frustration here about why we just aren't going out and getting a proven coach, but throw that in the trash can and trust us here. Very Dan McDonald type hire
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Corbin isn't coming, Virginia just announced a 12.5 million facility upgrade so OConner isn't coming. McDowell, Sloshnagle, or any big name coaches aren't coming either. Tadlock at Texas Tech may be viable, but I'd take the LSU assistant over someone like Butch. We are not a destination place for coaches. We are the proving ground for up and coming assistants or the last chance hotel for established guys out of work looking for one last chance. Sorry if that hurts folks feelings but that's who we are.
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Just talked to some folks, there's a hint that Alan Dunn might be coming with Cannizzaro if this all works out.
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Originally Posted by
Backspin
As for Cannizaro, he's a great recruiter and hitting guy with one year of assistant coaching experience. Hard to believe this Top 10/15 national program is going to be put in the hands of someone with one year of assistant coaching experience no matter how promising his future looks. In several years he'd be ready but now...not sure...it's definitely a gamble. Personally, I believe there would be a LOT of interest in this program from some top sitting head coaches around the country even though it's November.
Even if there wasn't interest from top level guys in November, we would always have the option to just go ahead and name Cohen AD but set his start date to begin July 1st, 2017, and let Weatherbee serve as interim until then while Cohen remains coach for one more baseball season. Cohen could gradually transition some items to his responsibility between now and February and then take the full reins next summer.
Or, we could hire a seasoned AD and leave Cohen where he's at. Either way, next year's baseball team is not looking very promising so I don't think it really matters if Cohen hangs around for a farewell tour.
Everything about this whole situation just screams half-ass.
Last edited by HSVDawg; 11-03-2016 at 06:40 PM.
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I was wanting a more experienced hc but after talking to some of our recruits they are excited at the possibility of Cannizzaro and perhaps Dunn too
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Originally Posted by
Dawgtini
We are a developmental program. At all levels
This exactly. We are making two half-ass, very risky hires. At least one should be a proven candidate but neither are.
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If Cohen is the next AD then who better to hire the next baseball coach? Does anyone really think Cohen would just hire some loser to replace himself? Cohen is smart enough to understand that if he screws up this one (especially this one) then he's basically f'd himself for his entire career as the AD. I seriously doubt Cohen would hire this guy unless he's 100% sure it's a homerun.
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I'm fine with Cohen to AD, I'm fine with the LSU guy as the next coach, I'm pissed at the way Keenum botched the entire CL announcement.
It was f*cking amateur hour.
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Originally Posted by
msstatelp1
If Cohen is the next AD then who better to hire the next baseball coach? Does anyone really think Cohen would just hire some loser to replace himself? Cohen is smart enough to understand that if he screws up this one (especially this one) then he's basically f'd himself for his entire career as the AD. I seriously doubt Cohen would hire this guy unless he's 100% sure it's a homerun.
If he thinks a guy with 2 years experience as an assistant is a HR hire then he has no business as an AD. I believe he thinks he is hiring a sharp young hot assistant with potential to be a great coach. But that is not a HR hire.
But again all of that is irrelevant. If the process had been allowed to go through properly and these were the choices, fine. I can stand behind that a lot easier. But the process was tainted and agendas pushed through devious and underhanded means. False support generated by misinformation. That is the problem. Hopefully things are corrected and the ones behind this get handcuffed in the future. They are not trustworthy to have this kind of influence in the athletic department.
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Originally Posted by
bobcat91
Corbin isn't coming, Virginia just announced a 12.5 million facility upgrade so OConner isn't coming. McDowell, Sloshnagle, or any big name coaches aren't coming either. Tadlock at Texas Tech may be viable, but I'd take the LSU assistant over someone like Butch. We are not a destination place for coaches. We are the proving ground for up and coming assistants or the last chance hotel for established guys out of work looking for one last chance. Sorry if that hurts folks feelings but that's who we are.
If it is Cannizarro it would be the first head baseball coach that we have hired without any previous experience since 1975. Polk was a fairly big name when we hired him back in 1976- led Georgia Southern to a regional and was a top assistant at Miami. McMahon was a desired coach when we brought him back as evidenced by the fact that Florida paid a ton to get him. We had a chance to hire Augie Garrido in 1991 and Paul Manieri in 2001. Cohen was a big name coach as well.
Take that shit somewhere else.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
If it is Cannizarro it would be the first head baseball coach that we have hired without any previous experience since 1975. Polk was a fairly big name when we hired him back in 1976- led Georgia Southern to a regional and was a top assistant at Miami. McMahon was a desired coach when we brought him back as evidenced by the fact that Florida paid a ton to get him. We had a chance to hire Augie Garrido in 1991 and Paul Manieri in 2001. Cohen was a big name coach as well.
Take that shit somewhere else.
Yeah I think he got the wrong sport, Todd. We can draw a fine baseball coach, I've just heard Cohen really likes Cannizzaro and if we get Dunn too could be really good. I'm still up in the air in the whole thing been very strange.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
If it is Cannizarro it would be the first head baseball coach that we have hired without any previous experience since 1975. Polk was a fairly big name when we hired him back in 1976- led Georgia Southern to a regional and was a top assistant at Miami. McMahon was a desired coach when we brought him back as evidenced by the fact that Florida paid a ton to get him. We had a chance to hire Augie Garrido in 1991 and Paul Manieri in 2001. Cohen was a big name coach as well.
Take that shit somewhere else.
Just glad guys like you have zero input into this hire. Love the info you bring, but you are dead wrong on this. We have never hired big name in the prime of their career guys. It has always been up and comers or guys needing another chance. Since you are the know it all baseball guru, and in much better position to make a hire over Cohen, who is your guy?
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All the guys you mentioned were before the new stratification of baseball scholarships that give some schools and states built in advantages over us. Name who you would hire, Todd?
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Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
Holy moly. Rando, you believe this guy just said this?
Listen, I get the frustration here about why we just aren't going out and getting a proven coach, but throw that in the trash can and trust us here. Very Dan McDonald type hire
How do you know that? Why do you even think that?
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Originally Posted by
preachermatt83
How do you know that? Why do you even think that?
See, your not trusting me here. I'm asking you to trust me
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Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
If he thinks a guy with 2 years experience as an assistant is a HR hire then he has no business as an AD. I believe he thinks he is hiring a sharp young hot assistant with potential to be a great coach. But that is not a HR hire.
But again all of that is irrelevant. If the process had been allowed to go through properly and these were the choices, fine. I can stand behind that a lot easier. But the process was tainted and agendas pushed through devious and underhanded means. False support generated by misinformation. That is the problem. Hopefully things are corrected and the ones behind this get handcuffed in the future. They are not trustworthy to have this kind of influence in the athletic department.
So exactly how was the process tainted? I've heard this stuff over and over during this search but everyone that mentions it is too chickenshit to provide names or details.
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Originally Posted by
HancockCountyDog
I'm fine with Cohen to AD, I'm fine with the LSU guy as the next coach, I'm pissed at the way Keenum botched the entire CL announcement.
It was f*cking amateur hour.
The administration didn't botch anything mr/ms Ladner, Cuevas or Necaise or is it Halliday. They ambushed by a younger crowd and had to bow to pressure from old money. This entire thing has been a fustercluck pretty much from the beginning.
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Originally Posted by
msstatelp1
If Cohen is the next AD then who better to hire the next baseball coach? Does anyone really think Cohen would just hire some loser to replace himself? Cohen is smart enough to understand that if he screws up this one (especially this one) then he's basically f'd himself for his entire career as the AD. I seriously doubt Cohen would hire this guy unless he's 100% sure it's a homerun.
Way to logical of a thought for this board today. Take that crap somewhere else **
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11-03-2016, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thick
Some of you just want to win the press conference. You guys (the majority) know me or my background with MSU, and I have been told by certain athletic administrators that John might be THE smartest administrator on campus that includes our past AD. He's not just an MSU grad. He wore the maroon and white, and that carries a lot of weight with me. He would not be in this position if it were not for MSU. He will do a great job if he becomes our next AD. Some of you need to step back and take a breath, we will be in good hands.
This guy gets it. If you think we were going to just hire Corbin or O'Conner because we are MSU really don't have a clue.
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