If Mullen wants to be here and if he makes the necessary staff changes...

[HoopsDawg]

I want him here next year. He can run a program. He can develop players. He is excellent with QB's. And he has a good offensive system. Recruiting has been the issue. Maybe he was looking elsewhere. Maybe we don't have a full staff of great recruiters. Maybe we rested too much on the mantra of being a developmental program. Or maybe it's a combination of it all. But Mullen can coach. He has built our program up. What we are dealing with now is a result of 1 really bad recruiting class and lack of talent at a couple of key positions.

The vocal minority on here needs to chill out b/c there is a lot of stupid stuff being said.

[civildawg]

How many times does he have to lobby for other jobs before you get it through your thick skull that he doesn't want to be here? Got damn man get a grip

[msstate7]

How many times does he have to lobby for other jobs before you get it through your thick skull that he doesn't want to be here? Got damn man get a grip

What jobs has he lobbied for? I'd like to see the list

[civildawg]

Miami, Georgia, Maryland. Lsu this year. I'm sure there are more, but I'm not connected like some people

[HoopsDawg]

How many times does he have to lobby for other jobs before you get it through your thick skull that he doesn't want to be here? Got damn man get a grip

Every coach in America leverages open jobs for more money after a good season. Hugh Freeze and his agent did it with the UF job. No one knows what really happened other than Mullen listened, just like anyone would. If we get a new coach and he is successful, he will do the same thing.

[msstate7]

Every coach in America leverages open jobs for more money after a good season. Hugh Freeze and his agent did it with the UF job. No one knows what really happened other than Mullen listened, just like anyone would. If we get a new coach and he is successful, he will do the same thing.

Yep. If everyone here were Houston fans, I guess they would've called for Herman's head for taking calls last season.

I've read on here that we should make a so-and-so coach tell us no. Well if said coach tells us no, should his current school fire him?

[Really Clark?]

Miami, Georgia, Maryland. Lsu this year. I'm sure there are more, but I'm not connected like some people

No to Miami, they contacted first but he did interview and try to get that job, no to Georigia, the conversation was if Smart and Herman fell through would he interested as one of the back up interviews, Maryland was fake, Maryland 24/7 site guy started that rumor, LSU??? Good grief media floats his name out there as someone they would put down and you turn that into Mullen lobbying for job.

[civildawg]

Ok well you and hoopsdawg continue to support Mullen. And next year when we continue to get steam rolled by everyone in the sec west I will be there to say I told you so

[msstate7]

Ok well you and hoopsdawg continue to support Mullen. And next year when we continue to get steam rolled by everyone in the sec west I will be there to say I told you so

Honest question... how does calling for Mullen's head 24/7 do anything but hurt us? All the message board chatter does is potentially hamstring us recruiting-wise imo

[HoopsDawg]

Ok well you and hoopsdawg continue to support Mullen. And next year when we continue to get steam rolled by everyone in the sec west I will be there to say I told you so

No one, and by that I mean no one is happy with this 2016 season. I have also been very critical of Mullen on several things. I just have enough sense to look at the bigger picture. We have a pretty solid class right now. Could be really solid if we close with Gay, Avery, Abram, and Guidry. Changes need to be made on the staff. Mullen has to take a hard look at everything from the strength coach to his best buddy. And he needs to do what's best for MSU. Mullen's not going to get fired so we need to start pulling in the same direction for once.

[HereComesTheSpiral]

Honest question... how does calling for Mullen's head 24/7 do anything but hurt us? All the message board chatter does is potentially hamstring us recruiting-wise imo

Yeah, our coaches screw up recruiting enough on their own without our help.

[Commercecomet24]

I want him here next year. He can run a program. He can develop players. He is excellent with QB's. And he has a good offensive system. Recruiting has been the issue. Maybe he was looking elsewhere. Maybe we don't have a full staff of great recruiters. Maybe we rested too much on the mantra of being a developmental program. Or maybe it's a combination of it all. But Mullen can coach. He has built our program up. What we are dealing with now is a result of 1 really bad recruiting class and lack of talent at a couple of key positions.

The vocal minority on here needs to chill out b/c there is a lot of stupid stuff being said.

Always respect your opinion. People on here get to emotional either way. I think you always call it fairly both good and bad without all the emotion. Agree with everything you just said.

[civildawg]

Recruiting?! Are you serious right now? Mullen has failed at recruiting even when we were #1 in the country. He lost 2 highly rated prospects in a position of need that could freaking walk to our campus and you're worried about message board material about our coach? Fine, I love Mullen and will never say another bad word about him again

[Dawgfan77]

What jobs has he lobbied for? I'd like to see the list

Maryland offer was on the table. Miami job was to until richt was let go at uga. This combined with no ext and he wanting out was the main reason why he hired sexton

[msstate7]

Recruiting?! Are you serious right now? Mullen has failed at recruiting even when we were #1 in the country. He lost 2 highly rated prospects in a position of need that could freaking walk to our campus and you're worried about message board material about our coach? Fine, I love Mullen and will never say another bad word about him again

'15 recruiting class was actually pretty solid

[sandwolf]

I want him here next year. He can run a program. He can develop players. He is excellent with QB's. And he has a good offensive system. Recruiting has been the issue. Maybe he was looking elsewhere. Maybe we don't have a full staff of great recruiters. Maybe we rested too much on the mantra of being a developmental program. Or maybe it's a combination of it all. But Mullen can coach. He has built our program up. What we are dealing with now is a result of 1 really bad recruiting class and lack of talent at a couple of key positions.

The vocal minority on here needs to chill out b/c there is a lot of stupid stuff being said.

This is pretty much where I stand as well.

[maroonwhitedawg3ddd]

How many times does he have to lobby for other jobs before you get it through your thick skull that he doesn't want to be here? Got damn man get a grip

Delusional is at a all time high for some on here!! How many of these if,if,if Dan really wants to be here post do we have to read!!
Damn it boy!

[HoopsDawg]

'15 recruiting class was actually pretty solid

Yep, the 2013 class is killing us. And the 2014 class was below average. Can't go back to back that bad.

[ShotgunDawg]

I want him here next year. He can run a program. He can develop players. He is excellent with QB's. And he has a good offensive system. Recruiting has been the issue. Maybe he was looking elsewhere. Maybe we don't have a full staff of great recruiters. Maybe we rested too much on the mantra of being a developmental program. Or maybe it's a combination of it all. But Mullen can coach. He has built our program up. What we are dealing with now is a result of 1 really bad recruiting class and lack of talent at a couple of key positions.

The vocal minority on here needs to chill out b/c there is a lot of stupid stuff being said.

I can go along with this, but he's got a steep, multi- year rebuild ahead of him.

1. When you ask a coach to turn over his entire staff, your also asking him to hire people that he's probably never worked with or has any chemistry with.
2. This is in addition to #1, when you replace the entire staff, what are the odds that the players have any clue what they are doing next year? Look how out of position & screwed up we look after replacing the entire defensive staff. If you do it the offensive staff as well, it may be a total cluster 17.
3. We do nothing well as a team. So who do you fire? I can make a case for firing every assistant, but we know you can't do that.
4. Is Mullen's heart in it? This may be the main one. If you could tell that Mullen was hell bent on turning this around, then I could go along, but I know I'm getting 110% commitment from a new guy. Is 75% of Mullen worth 100% of PJ Fleck or Brohm?

I like the Dan Mullen in his prime as MSU's football coach. I really do. I am forever grateful for what he has done & the experiences he has brought to this university. However, there's a good chance that Humpty Dumpty has fallen off the wall & all the king's horses & all the King's men just can't never ever ever put him back together again.

What say you?

[HoopsDawg]

I can go along with this, but he's got a steep, multi- year rebuild ahead of him.

1. When you ask a coach to turn over his entire staff, your also asking him to hire people that he's probably never worked with or has any chemistry with.
2. This is in addition to #1, when you replace the entire staff, what are the odds that the players have any clue what they are doing next year? Look how out of position & screwed up we look after replacing the entire defensive staff. If you do it the offensive staff as well, it may be a total cluster 17.
3. We do nothing well as a team. So who do you fire? I can make a case for firing every assistant, but we know you can't do that.
4. Is Mullen's heart in it? This may be the main one. If you could tell that Mullen was hell bent on turning this around, then I could go along, but I know I'm getting 110% commitment from a new guy. Is 75% of Mullen worth 100% of PJ Fleck or Brohm?

I like the Dan Mullen in his prime as MSU's football coach. I really do. I am forever grateful for what he has done & the experiences he has brought to this university. However, there's a good chance that Humpty Dumpty has fallen off the wall & all the king's horses & all the King's men just can't never ever ever put him back together again.

What say you?

1, 2, and 3 all touch on the same thing-his staff. He needs to take a look at every coach and remove the ones who have consistently under-performed on the field and on the recruiting trail. At the very least, I would demote Hev to TE coach like Urban did at UF and go and hire the best O-line coach/recruiter you can find. Also, your TE coach needs to be one of the best recruiters on the staff b/c they have less on field responsibility. So that's a position I would be looking to either promote Brad Peterson or find another guy with strong MS ties. We haven't been able to replace Tony Hughes.

As for #4, Mullen is a competitor. He hates to lose. I was actually encouraged by the amount of young guys he played yesterday. That tells me he is already looking to the future.