Pros and cons of potential head coaches

[Bass Chaser]

What about Jeff Brohm HC at WKU or Dave Aranda LSU DC?

[shoeless joe]

I wouldn't mind some form of the option...even the relf option...but I'm a big fan of ball control and pounding the rock.

Once the current fiasco is over and done I'd like a flexible coach that allows coordinators to game plan and execute that plan. Micro managers never do well it seems.

One thing I always like in a HC is if the players play for them...obviously this weekend has put a spot light on that. But I've always admired the fact that players were willing to run thru a brick wall for miles and O. Now that doesn't mean I want them as HC but it is a trait that I'd look for in the next guy. Even when we were #1 I never felt the players played FOR Mullen.

[msstate7]

15 or so every year is plenty good enough. 20 every year is good enough if it's a legit 20. We signed 2 O-linemen this year. Almost none of the guys we signed, save Simmons, had any legitimate good offers other than us.

And you have to hope auburn, bama, aTm, and lsu have an issue bc they'll all be above 15

[shoeless joe]

Also, I'm as Christian conservative as anyone but I think it's absurd that being Mormon would even be thought of as a mark against a coach. And along that same lite, I understand what all occurred at Baylor but if briles would take the job here (with a decent buyout) I'd jump all over it in a heartbeat.

[HoopsDawg]

And you have to hope auburn, bama, aTm, and lsu have an issue bc they'll all be above 15

That doesn't matter. You sign 25 every year. That's 125 scholarship players if you redshirt everyone. You can only have 85. You play about 50. We can find 50 players to compete if we have a great QB. That's Mullen's greatest strength. That's why I hate to see him go just b/c of his O-line coach and lack of O-line recruiting.

[HoopsDawg]

Also, I'm as Christian conservative as anyone but I think it's absurd that being Mormon would even be thought of as a mark against a coach. And along that same lite, I understand what all occurred at Baylor but if briles would take the job here (with a decent buyout) I'd jump all over it in a heartbeat.

It's hard to walk into that living room in Grenada or Jackson or West Point and sign that kid when you are a Mormon. Hard truth. The mama's love Freeze. Absolutely Love him.

[Todd4State]

Also, I'm as Christian conservative as anyone but I think it's absurd that being Mormon would even be thought of as a mark against a coach. And along that same lite, I understand what all occurred at Baylor but if briles would take the job here (with a decent buyout) I'd jump all over it in a heartbeat.

It is absurd but it?s the region we live in. There?s a reason why Freeze and Ole Miss play up the Christianity card BIG time. And also a reason why they played up the Scientologist card big time even though it was BS.

[Quaoarsking]

What about Jeff Brohm HC at WKU or Dave Aranda LSU DC?

Added Brohm. Don't know much about Aranda, but I'll research and put him up there.

[shoeless joe]

It's hard to walk into that living room in Grenada or Jackson or West Point and sign that kid when you are a Mormon. Hard truth. The mama's love Freeze. Absolutely Love him.

You make a good point...and it's sad that someone who says one thing and does another is held to a higher esteem than someone who has positive core values and actually strives to live up to them and be a model of being a man as they try to influence young men.

[msstate7]

It's hard to walk into that living room in Grenada or Jackson or West Point and sign that kid when you are a Mormon. Hard truth. The mama's love Freeze. Absolutely Love him.

If you think that's hard, sell mom on briles if she has a daughter too

[Quaoarsking]

Also, I'm as Christian conservative as anyone but I think it's absurd that being Mormon would even be thought of as a mark against a coach.

Agreed, I don't think it matters if our coach worships the sun as long as he wins. But a lot of denominations of Christianity don't consider Mormons to be Christians (for example, the Catholic Church - largest denomination in America and the world - and the Southern Baptist Convention - largest denomination in Mississippi). Also, the whole bit about Mormons believing that blacks were destined to be servants until God "changed his mind" in 1978 (that's a good bit after the Civil Rights era) won't play well either, even though there are faithful and sincere black Mormons nowadays.

And along that same lite, I understand what all occurred at Baylor but if briles would take the job here (with a decent buyout) I'd jump all over it in a heartbeat.

I'm extremely skeptical that any school (other than maybe Auburn) will try to hire Art Briles as a head coach. Imagine the outcry from the whole country and from within whatever fanbase hires him. We're talking about a guy who covered up several rapes committed by his players and bullied and intimidated a women's track athlete and had her scholarship reduced because she told on Sam Ukwuachu (who was found guilty and sentenced to jail, so it's not a he-said, she-said thing). Who would want to send their daughters to school at MSU if Art Briles were our coach?

[Todd4State]

About Tulsa and their defense- his DC’s (has co-DC’s) are both old guys. Bill Young has been around forever and then the other one is Brian Norwood who was a coach at Baylor who was not known for the defense. Young is a native of Oklahoma. If we hire Montgomery I would hope that he would bring in another DC- hopefully Shaw from Vanderbilt.

About Fleck- My hope there would be that he would at least keep Buckley and then promote the recruiting triplets to on the field coaches- Gibson, Peterson, and Austin. That would be a good start and then he could go from there with building the rest of the staff. Does anyone know what Austin’s background is? Offense or defense?

[RocketDawg]

Also, I'm as Christian conservative as anyone but I think it's absurd that being Mormon would even be thought of as a mark against a coach. And along that same lite, I understand what all occurred at Baylor but if briles would take the job here (with a decent buyout) I'd jump all over it in a heartbeat.

Mormons are Christians. And they're more conservative than most ... no drinking, no premarital sex, etc. They're a little different from some Christian sects but so are snake handlers.

[msstate7]

About Tulsa and their defense- his DC’s (has co-DC’s) are both old guys. Bill Young has been around forever and then the other one is Brian Norwood who was a coach at Baylor who was not known for the defense. Young is a native of Oklahoma. If we hire Montgomery I would hope that he would bring in another DC- hopefully Shaw from Vanderbilt.

About Fleck- My hope there would be that he would at least keep Buckley and then promote the recruiting triplets to on the field coaches- Gibson, Peterson, and Austin. That would be a good start and then he could go from there with building the rest of the staff. Does anyone know what Austin’s background is? Offense or defense?

Montgomery with coach O at DC.

[Todd4State]

Mormons are Christians. And they're more conservative than most ... no drinking, no premarital sex, etc. They're a little different from some Christian sects but so are snake handlers.

You might want to look their theology up.

[Dawgology]

I would like Orgeron simply because it would drive UNM insane and he would do everything in his power to make their life a living hell. Plus he knows all their recruiting tricks so it would be fun to watch them squirm as they will be hamstrung even further after the NCAA hammer falls.

[Todd4State]

Quaors- I’d add Mike MacIntyre from Colorado to the list as well. His record is bad, but he turned San Jose State into a 10 win team and then took over a dumpster fire and now they are playing pretty well. He used to coach under Cutcliffe and his Dad was the head coach at Vanderbilt.

[Really Clark?]

About Tulsa and their defense- his DC’s (has co-DC’s) are both old guys. Bill Young has been around forever and then the other one is Brian Norwood who was a coach at Baylor who was not known for the defense. Young is a native of Oklahoma. If we hire Montgomery I would hope that he would bring in another DC- hopefully Shaw from Vanderbilt.

About Fleck- My hope there would be that he would at least keep Buckley and then promote the recruiting triplets to on the field coaches- Gibson, Peterson, and Austin. That would be a good start and then he could go from there with building the rest of the staff. Does anyone know what Austin’s background is? Offense or defense?

Ha. Yeah I would love Shaw, doubt he leaves Stanford to be our DC. Seriously Mason would be a really good DC. Just worrisome that several of these types of coaches don't put much stock in defense or takes too long before they do.

[Dawgology]

Just thinking. Whoever we hire needs to be a BIG splash hire. If we need to pony up 5 mil to get that person then it needs to happen. The timing of this combined with what the NCAA is about to do up north could (more or less) end UNM's football program for a loooooong time.

[Quaoarsking]

Quaors- I’d add Mike MacIntyre from Colorado to the list as well. His record is bad, but he turned San Jose State into a 10 win team and then took over a dumpster fire and now they are playing pretty well. He used to coach under Cutcliffe and his Dad was the head coach at Vanderbilt.

Oh yeah, I think he's a good one. And he only makes $2 million, so I think we could get him.