Saw a post from David Murray about Juco's...

[Really Clark?]

We now have huge advantages over those non power 5 teams that we are playing whereas we used to have some advantages over them but it wasn't as big. When we play any team that isn't power 5 in 2016 and we should skull drag them. We have a much bigger budget, much better facilities, and coaches that should be way out of their league and that should cause us to have way better players. It hasn't always been that way.

Also, money is becoming less and less of a factor between us and the rest of the conference, even though we are still at the bottom of the league money wise. Once you get to the point to where the entire conference is income wise, money should not be a crutch argument that we use to accept mediocrity. Prestige? Yea that is still an issue. Our 120 yeas of sucking? Yea that still haunts us. Our small state with 2 SEC schools? Yea that's a factor. Money really isn't that huge of a deal right now. We have great facilities, great coaches, and great stadiums.

But those advantages are just now coming into play. Our budget has grown tremendously in recent years. But the gap over the last 5 years in total still has us $200-300 MIL behind the SEC average. The gap between us and some of those non Power 5 schools you are talking about is $100-150 MIL at best and that just jumped in the last few years. USA and Troy for example are just a little below what our budget was when Mullen arrived. We are just now really able to start to really separate ourselves significantly from those schools. But not his first 4-5 years.

[Todd4State]

So you know more than Byrne? Who told several of us that the pieces are coming together but it was going to take a full generation, the right HC hire and for us to get to $75 MIL annual budget for a decade. If we were lucky we could get there in 10 years. This was to raise our floor to legitimate solid program. If we got a once a lifetime coach help push us to a consistent Top 15 team. And this was before Mullen was hired.

I agree with Byrne. And we have made progress as an athletic dept. The question is whether Dan is a "once in a lifetime coach" and I don't think he is and I believe we can do better than what we are getting.

If you think Dan is a once in a lifetime coach you're way off.

[Todd4State]

Yes they are. Otherwise going 10-0 with a natty could get you fired. See how stupid that sounds? You need to step away from the interwebs for awhile. Mullen isn't getting fired this year. Unless he's caught cracking little kids or something, we aren't going to fire him.

What if we go 10-0 and then our coach pulls a Petrino? Or gets us on probation?

Yeah there are more things than just wins and losses.

[Really Clark?]

I agree with Byrne. And we have made progress as an athletic dept. The question is whether Dan is a "once in a lifetime coach" and I don't think he is and I believe we can do better than what we are getting.

If you think Dan is a once in a lifetime coach you're way off.

I didn't say Dan was. He was saying that the only way it happens sooner than in a generation is IF you got a once in a lifetime coach. Then you might get to that point in 10 years WITH all the other things helping as well. But in all fairness for the majority of our lives of the posters on this board he is pretty close to once in a lifetime guy. At a minimum he was hoping for someone to raise the floor over the first 5 years. Dan exceeded that to a good degree. In fact, looking at weak schools in Power 5 conferences there are not many better over his first 7 years. Very few.

He also knew we had to completely reboot our brand and restructure how we can attack positioning ourselves through the first decade as an average to above average program. Dan has done that and I have said this to you before it was going to take a min of a decade to get the structure right. I don't know if Dan is going to be the guy to lead us entering the second phase but he has far exceeded the first phase of what we are trying to accomplish.

[basedog]

I agree with Byrne. And we have made progress as an athletic dept. The question is whether Dan is a "once in a lifetime coach" and I don't think he is and I believe we can do better than what we are getting.

If you think Dan is a once in a lifetime coach you're way off.

Nobody is saying he is a lifetime Coach Todd, what we all or most are saying he has done good things and let this year play out. Pay more attention, I think most don't care right now about what you or I think about Mullen and who can do better. Just wait and see you keep posting the same ole stuff over and over. We all know you want him gone and fine, but not now!

[Todd4State]

I didn't say Dan was. He was saying that the only way it happens sooner than in a generation is IF you got a once in a lifetime coach. Then you might get to that point in 10 years WITH all the other things helping as well. But in all fairness for the majority of our lives of the posters on this board he is pretty close to once in a lifetime guy. At a minimum he was hoping for someone to raise the floor over the first 5 years. Dan exceeded that to a good degree. In fact, looking at weak schools in Power 5 conferences there are not many better over his first 7 years. Very few.

He also knew we had to completely reboot our brand and restructure how we can attack positioning ourselves through the first decade as an average to above average program. Dan has done that and I have said this to you before it was going to take a min of a decade to get the structure right. I don't know if Dan is going to be the guy to lead us entering the second phase but he has far exceeded the first phase of what we are trying to accomplish.

Ok so let's go try to get a one in a lifetime coach then.

[Todd4State]

Nobody is saying he is a lifetime Coach Todd, what we all or most are saying he has done good things and let this year play out. Pay more attention, I think most don't care right now about what you or I think about Mullen and who can do better. Just wait and see you keep posting the same ole stuff over and over. We all know you want him gone and fine, but not now!

Really Clark was perfectly capable of telling me that he didn't say that but I'm sure he appreciates your help.**

Ironic that you keep posting over and over that I keep saying the same things ove and over.

[Really Clark?]

Ok so let's go try to get a one in a lifetime coach then.

Would love to. No where as simple as it sounds as you can't ever know at the time of the hire.

[basedog]

Really Clark was perfectly capable of telling me that he didn't say that but I'm sure he appreciates your help.**

Ironic that you keep posting over and over that I keep saying the same things ove and over.

LOL, I'm pretty sure you need a whole lot help Todd, I think the play station game has messed your thinking on real life football.

I'm tired of listen to your play station comments, so I will ask, have you updated to the newest and latest version of play station. You most definitely have way more experience with play station than I, so +1.

P.S., Mullen has been our lifetime Coach. I can only pray and hope the next one can at least be as good and hopefully better, but that's gonna be several more games before the next chapter. We eat our own!

[shannondawg]

I'm intrigued , you would get rid of a winning coach, in hope of getting a once in a lifetime coach? How many hires do we have to go through to get him? And when will we know we got him or not? And who's lifetime?

[pilldawg]

Why is that contradictory? Dan still has to beat them and it's not like they were that much better than us. It's his job to figure out how to beat them like starting with maybe having someone cover their tight end.

The thing that bothers me the most about it is Dan's attitude which seems to be "I don't care". And if the rumors are true about him giving up because of their cheating that's just as bad because that's being a bitch.

The Mullen doesn't care narrative is ridiculous. He is just getting beat. He cares.

[bulldawg28]

Ok so let's go try to get a one in a lifetime coach then.

Lol...Dude this isn't highschool football

[Todd4State]

Would love to. No where as simple as it sounds as you can't ever know at the time of the hire.

We know the one we have currently isn't so why hold on to him? We can't find a lifetime coach holding on to the average one.

And never said it was easy. That's why we should hire someone with head coaching experience next time as I would imagine if we knew about Hevesy and Dan's recruiting and revolving door DC's I doubt we would hire him given hindsight.

[Todd4State]

LOL, I'm pretty sure you need a whole lot help Todd, I think the play station game has messed your thinking on real life football.

I'm tired of listen to your play station comments, so I will ask, have you updated to the newest and latest version of play station. You most definitely have way more experience with play station than I, so +1.

P.S., Mullen has been our lifetime Coach. I can only pray and hope the next one can at least be as good and hopefully better, but that's gonna be several more games before the next chapter. We eat our own!

If you don't like what I have to say you can always kiss my ass and not read it. You have options. And you aren't totally our own anymore paying tuition in Oxford.

[Todd4State]

The Mullen doesn't care narrative is ridiculous. He is just getting beat. He cares.

He cares- but very obviously not like he should.

[basedog]

If you don't like what I have to say you can always kiss my ass and not read it. You have options. And you aren't totally our own anymore paying tuition in Oxford.

LOL again. Now you want to get nasty with ass kissing. You are making a fool of yourself Todd.

Obviously you don't have kids, I may love Msu and hate Ole Miss, but I love my family a whole lot more than where she attends her choice of colleges. Not bad for a free education either.

Do band members get slobber knocked and have snot bubbles come out their nose when they miss a note or can't keep a straight line? Let me know when u update your play station, I'm hoping it helps and makes you a lifetime arm chair wanna be know it all what's best for Msu athletics.

Mr Play Station.

[Activated Alpha]

I say we throw a cool 4 million and some sacrificial co-eds in front of Petrino to lure, I mean persuade, him to come here

[Todd4State]

LOL again. Now you want to get nasty with ass kissing. You are making a fool of yourself Todd.

Obviously you don't have kids, I may love Msu and hate Ole Miss, but I love my family a whole lot more than where she attends her choice of colleges. Not bad for a free education either.

Do band members get slobber knocked and have snot bubbles come out their nose when they miss a note or can't keep a straight line? Let me know when u update your play station, I'm hoping it helps and makes you a lifetime arm chair wanna be know it all what's best for Msu athletics.

Mr Play Station.

How much rent do I owe you for living in your head? I feel bad for living rent free.

And I find it very ironic that you think you know what is best for MSU. Does that not make you an arm chair wanna be too?

[Todd4State]

Oh and one other thing... The ONLY reason I did band was so I could get a free education at the college of my dreams. And at least that's Mississippi State University while we're talking about free education here.

[basedog]

How much rent do I owe you for living in your head? I feel bad for living rent free.

And I find it very ironic that you think you know what is best for MSU. Does that not make you an arm chair wanna be too?

Not my head, my ass. I outgrew folks like you a long time ago. I have never said I know what is best for Msu future, but you have over and over again. Never arm chair for me, I've coached at the high school and college level. Did you coach band? Mr Play Station.