Saw a post from David Murray about Juco's...

[RocketDawg]

To add something: Losing to OM isn't as bad as laying down to OM, which is what happened the last 2 years and in 2012. With our best team under Mullen (and better than OM) and probably our 3rd best team under Mullen (in Starkville). Losing in Starkville is bad, that's very bad.

That kinda stuff happened under Croom plus to Croom the #1 rivalry wasn't OM but Bama.

I suppose I agree with Croom. For one thing, I live in Alabama and have to put up with Tide fans daily (like most of you guys do the Bears/Bear fans). But more important, beating Alabama is a more meaningful thing to do ... they're good. The Bears are irrelevant most of the time, but they're trying to achieve relevancy by cheating.

[Todd4State]

You admit om has cheated excessively to gain the upper hand on us, but hold Mullen accountable for not beating them too. That kinda seems contridictory

Why is that contradictory? Dan still has to beat them and it's not like they were that much better than us. It's his job to figure out how to beat them like starting with maybe having someone cover their tight end.

The thing that bothers me the most about it is Dan's attitude which seems to be "I don't care". And if the rumors are true about him giving up because of their cheating that's just as bad because that's being a bitch.

[Todd4State]

To add something: Losing to OM isn't as bad as laying down to OM, which is what happened the last 2 years and in 2012. With our best team under Mullen (and better than OM) and probably our 3rd best team under Mullen (in Starkville). Losing in Starkville is bad, that's very bad.

That kinda stuff happened under Croom plus to Croom the #1 rivalry wasn't OM but Bama.

Actually Croom never lost to Ole Miss in Starkville. Let that sink in for a minute.

[Jack Lambert]

Actually Croom never lost to Ole Miss in Starkville. Let that sink in for a minute.

On the flip side he never won at Ole Miss.

[Todd4State]

On the flip side he never won at Ole Miss.

True but I can tolerate that a lot more than losing in Starkville. The home team has won over 70% of the time since 1991.

[RocketDawg]

Probably one reason losing to them doesn't bother me any more than losing to anybody else is that, when I was in school, we never beat them. It was just a given we would lose. That was back just after their glory days.

[blacklistedbully]

I guess I don't understand the ultimate importance of beating the Bears. Of course, we want to win it, but why should that be the one make or break game? Granted, is 5-7 with an OM win that much better than 4-8 with an OM loss? Honestly, I think there are some who would have wanted him fired when he lost the first game to them 2 years ago, regardless of other accomplishments.

C'mon, mane!

[CadaverDawg]

Mstate7 is right....We can't put that much importance on beating Ole Miss while also saying OM is about to get hammered for buying great players. I do agree that the preparation and effort in our last few egg bowl's has been pathetic though, and that is more concerning to me than whether we won or lost against a bunch of bought players.

When it's time for Mullen to go, we'll know it. That time isn't right now, and we sure as hell don't need to let Ole Miss's cheating beat us on AND off the field by causing us to fire our best coach ever due to games vs their soon to be under probation program. Think people.

[msstate7]

Mstate7 is right....We can't put that much importance on beating Ole Miss while also saying OM is about to get hammered for buying great players. I do agree that the preparation and effort in our last few egg bowl's has been pathetic though, and that is more concerning to me than whether we won or lost against a bunch of bought players.

When it's time for Mullen to go, we'll know it. That time isn't right now, and we sure as hell don't need to let Ole Miss's cheating beat us on AND off the field by causing us to fire our best coach ever due to games vs their soon to be under probation program. Think people.

I think om's cheating really gave them the upper hand last season and this season. In '14 though, we blew it and Dan deserves the lion's share of the blame.

[CadaverDawg]

I think om's cheating really gave them the upper hand last season and this season. In '14 though, we blew it and Dan deserves the lion share of the blame.

I agree. I just wish people would realize that yes, losing to OM sucks...but we are not a reloading program, and OM is about to go into the shitter with probation...so is losing to a heavily cheating program really worth changing the entire landscape of our program and potentially sending us back to Croom or Orgeron-ish years?? No thanks. I'll take 6-8 wins per year, with 9-10 every 4 or 5 years, and 5 wins every 7-8 years or so. All day & twice on Sunday's.

Now if we go 5-7 this year and then follow it with 5-7....that's a different story. We will never recruit at a high enough level to simply reload. Never. So we will have to accept the occasional shitburger season. OM won't ever recruit well enough to reload either....Legally.

[basedog]

Mstate7 is right....We can't put that much importance on beating Ole Miss while also saying OM is about to get hammered for buying great players. I do agree that the preparation and effort in our last few egg bowl's has been pathetic though, and that is more concerning to me than whether we won or lost against a bunch of bought players.

When it's time for Mullen to go, we'll know it. That time isn't right now, and we sure as hell don't need to let Ole Miss's cheating beat us on AND off the field by causing us to fire our best coach ever due to games vs their soon to be under probation program. Think people.

Totally agree Clint, like the saying goes, "We see the enemy and the enemy is us"! "We eat our own"

If winning is so damn easy please explain to me why after 100 years of football haven't we won more games? Mullen has done more in 8 years than most have done in the history of football at Msu.

[Todd4State]

Mstate7 is right....We can't put that much importance on beating Ole Miss while also saying OM is about to get hammered for buying great players. I do agree that the preparation and effort in our last few egg bowl's has been pathetic though, and that is more concerning to me than whether we won or lost against a bunch of bought players.

When it's time for Mullen to go, we'll know it. That time isn't right now, and we sure as hell don't need to let Ole Miss's cheating beat us on AND off the field by causing us to fire our best coach ever due to games vs their soon to be under probation program. Think people.

The question should be is Dan doing the best he can do and if not what is he doing to fix it? Just because we have a bad history in general doesn't mean we should tolerate mediocrity because of good things done in the past.

[civildawg]

If he is 6-6 with a win over the bears, he will be fine.

I fully believe that his fate is decided on Thanksgiving in 2017, unless we rally.

If he goes 6-6 next year he should be fired no matter what. Man our fan base loves mediocrity.

[Todd4State]

I agree. I just wish people would realize that yes, losing to OM sucks...but we are not a reloading program, and OM is about to go into the shitter with probation...so is losing to a heavily cheating program really worth changing the entire landscape of our program and potentially sending us back to Croom or Orgeron-ish years?? No thanks. I'll take 6-8 wins per year, with 9-10 every 4 or 5 years, and 5 wins every 7-8 years or so. All day & twice on Sunday's.

Now if we go 5-7 this year and then follow it with 5-7....that's a different story. We will never recruit at a high enough level to simply reload. Never. So we will have to accept the occasional shitburger season. OM won't ever recruit well enough to reload either....Legally.

IF we can make a change this offseason we can possibly get someone that can recruit and salvage this class and get us off to a great start next year just as Ole Miss is going on probation at the same time generating excitement and not allowing Ole Miss fans the solace of "well MSU sucks too" for the first year of their probation.

We should be proactive and not wait too see if Dan can turn it around especially when his body language says I don't care. And I will say if Dan did show that he cared I probably would be Ok with another year but generally when people don't care it's extrmely rare that they suddenly start caring again.

[Goldendawg]

Winning seasons should be easier in today's world. You schedule 4 OOC cupcakes( a little harder with the P5 now required and being upset as we were this year), beat the two hopefully bad SEC East teams (which always includes KY), and win a couple of tossup games with equally talented West foes (Arky, Auburn maybe). Still need to be competitive with LSU, aTm, and Bama and beat them every once in a while to get to the next level. UNM should be more easily beaten IF the NCAA hammer ever falls. Please, have the team ready for every game. I don't feel this was case with Bama or UNM the past two years.

[Todd4State]

If he goes 6-6 next year he should be fired no matter what. Man our fan base loves mediocrity.

It's insane. It's not like there aren't multiple examples of MSU waiting too long out there. We tend to wait until the dumpster is engulfed and on fire before going "ok I think coach x is done now". And then we wonder why we can't hire anyone because the previous coach was allowed to recruit shittily for four years trying to turn the thing around before anyone did anything.

[Todd4State]

Winning seasons should be easier in today's world. You schedule 4 OOC cupcakes( a little harder with the P5 now required and being upset as we were this year), beat the two hopefully bad SEC East teams (which always includes KY), and win a couple of tossup games with equally talented West foes (Arky, Auburn maybe). Still need to be competitive with LSU, aTm, and Bama and beat them every once in a while to get to the next level. UNM should be more easily beaten IF the NCAA hammer ever falls. Please, have the team ready for every game. I don't feel this was case with Bama or UNM the past two years.

We haven't been ready for anyone this year other than South Carolina so far. And even then we took our foot off the gas in the second half.

[basedog]

The question should be is Dan doing the best he can do and if not what is he doing to fix it? Just because we have a bad history in general doesn't mean we should tolerate mediocrity because of good things done in the past.

C'mon Todd, you are on a witch hunt! Let the games play out, Dan has done way more good than bad! Geez! You can't find anything positive to say, plus you are like a broken record with the negative comments. You must be on the damn payroll for the agenda. Surely you aren't correct with every negative comment about Dan. Dan hasn't quit, he has made mistakes, I don't think Dan has quit, that would be crazy for a coach who wants out!

[basedog]

It's insane. It's not like there aren't multiple examples of MSU waiting too long out there. We tend to wait until the dumpster is engulfed and on fire before going "ok I think coach x is done now". And then we wonder why we can't hire anyone because the previous coach was allowed to recruit shittily for four years trying to turn the thing around before anyone did anything.

Obviously you haven't looked into our history very well. How many winning coaches have we had over 100 years of football. If winning is so easy at Msu I would think we would have had a much better won/lost record, 100 plus years Todd!

[Goldendawg]

Dan has made "mistakes"? Hope he hasn't been hanging around with "Mr. Mistake" Freeze! LOL