Is CDM making Stricklin's decision easy?...

[Really Clark?]

I disagree just because you have to look at the entire picture and yes, wins and losses are part of that and the biggest part of that. I think you have to look at recruiting, I think you have to look at why the program declined and determine after that year whether it is likely to be turned around based on the actions of the coach or not, you have to look at what the coaches plan is to turn the program around, and I think in our case you have to look at how the coach views the program in terms of is he giving relentless effort or does he seem burned out? Is he constantly trying to leave the program indicating that he may not really want to be here?

It's not just one thing and I think it's a case by case basis. I don't think it's a "you get two years or else" thing.

No kidding you disagree. No where did I say you get 2 years or else. It does depend on the situation. But without widely reported just cause, you will have a lot of difficulty finding qualified candidates. You can tell them all of that as reason why you fired him after one down year but all they will see is that you fired a very good successful coach, and in our case the best we've had in 70's years, because of one down year. All that other you mentioned will be meaningless to them.

[Bully13]

I disagree just because you have to look at the entire picture and yes, wins and losses are part of that and the biggest part of that. I think you have to look at recruiting, I think you have to look at why the program declined and determine after that year whether it is likely to be turned around based on the actions of the coach or not, you have to look at what the coaches plan is to turn the program around, and I think in our case you have to look at how the coach views the program in terms of is he giving relentless effort or does he seem burned out? Is he constantly trying to leave the program indicating that he may not really want to be here?

It's not just one thing and I think it's a case by case basis. I don't think it's a "you get two years or else" thing.

my thinking of the situation is starting to head in this direction. there is no doubt mullen has the ability to win here and be a good coach because he's proven he can. but he has to have a burning desire to do so and for whatever reason, that tapered off. anyone who doesn't see that is blind. I would be interested to know why he wanted / wants out. to be honest, once ole miss started pulling in those bought and paid for classes via their network while we continued business as usual via bracky, I'd want the hell out too. especially since it looked like nothing was going to ever be done about it. but then things changed and it looks like ole miss is now going to get what could be a knock out punch from the ncaa. if that does indeed happen, the appeal of the MSU HC gig triples. could the turn of events with the ole miss situation change mullen's mind about his job here? is what's happening on the field presently the result of the amount of time mullen took off when he was in not give a shit mode during his job searches? or is it because he's STILL in not give a shit mode and still wanting out?

if the ncaa can force ole miss to recruit in a way we have equal shots at players as they do, a good HC that is highly motivated can have MSU football in good shape with a happy fan base.

if mullen doesn't give a shit anymore then he needs to be let go after the season. not matter how good he is or what he's done. we would have to let future candidates know why we canned him. wasn't because of a bad year or 3 straight egg bowl losses. those things can be fixed. but sometimes attitudes can't be and that's when it's time to cut ties.

it's going to be interesting to revisit this thread around the middle of February 2017.

[NELA Dawg]

And yet we have never had a coach that we let go that has had any success anywhere else- including McKeen. There is ZERO indication that we would have become a national type program had it not been for World War II. Everyone else had to deal with World War II at the time and most had to shut down their program for a year or two.

Again, we have been too patient for too little success. You went to the Liberty Bowl and beat Ole Miss in the same season? LIFETIME CONTRACT! Again, you can't name a coach in your lifetime that has been at MSU for less that five years. Croom and Felker were both terrible- we have Felker FOUR seasons to have a winning season before letting him go. We didn't let Croom go after losing to Maine, UAB, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky in the same season- or after 2006 where we went three games before scoring a touchdown and lost to Tulane.

We're the most patient fans in the SEC BY FAR. Most schools lose to South Alabama and want to run off the coach. We lose to South Alabama and half of our fans bring up Frank ****ing Beamer.

The way for us to be successful and AVOID this is to see the warning signs and make a change- like trying to leave every year, not giving 100% effort, lack of interest from the fanbase, and other warning signs. They are ALL there. Being patient is the WORST thing we can do because odds are those things are not going to change and the recruiting won't get any better creating a bigger hole for whomever takes over- and it also makes us less attractive to the next group of coaching candidates because they will see the garbage recruiting and not want to take over a major rebuild.

Good post, but I am not sure what the answer is. Standing still in the SEC is going backwards.

[msbulldog]

Hail State!

[shannondawg]

Exactly. I'm not even talking about getting rid of Mullen. I hope he turns it around, but I can see where Stricklin may opt to avoid the turmoil that this season is going to create.

If he runs from the pressure MSU puts on him, He will crap when he finds out what real pressure is down there.

[CadaverDawg]

If he runs from the pressure MSU puts on him, He will crap when he finds out what real pressure is down there.

This. Well put, shannondawg