It's crazy when you look at SEC politics over the decades

[lamont]

Just heard them say on SECN that Alabama never played a game at Auburn until 1989. How does that happen? They also didnt play at all from 1908-1948
OM never would play Alabama hardly at all- 9-48 vs them all-time including their 2 game win streak. OM started playing them every season starting in 1980- 5-31 since then. State is 7-29 in that time frame
We used to play home games vs Auburn in B'ham
Ga Tech withdrew from the SEC over illegal recruiting practices that the SEC wouldnt amend
Tulane dropped out because they felt academics was being overshadowed by athletics and they werent competing anymore

We have such an abysmal record in the SEC because we used to play Auburn, Alabama, and LSU on the road year after year.
From 1933-1957- State played Alabama in Tuscaloosa every year but 1. From 1967-1979 we played in Alabama 8 times and in Jackson 5 times
We played Auburn in Mississippi 5 times before 1970- but played them in the state of Alabama 38 times
From 1931-1970- we played LSU in Louisiana every year but 3 times. Those 3 in Jackson. 1931-1957 all at LSU

Interesting to look back at the politics of how why we are where we are today. And why we lag behind.

[M.Fillmore]

Of the "Traditional 10" SEC schools, guess which teams have played Bama and Vandy the most and the least?

MSU has played Bama more than any other SEC school, and has played Vandy less than any SEC school.
The Bears have played Bama less than any other SEC school, and has played Vandy more than any SEC school.

The Bears never played Bama in any of their six SEC championship seasons.

[lamont]

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/...tate/1902.html


Great site to research all that

[Jack Lambert]

A lot of our on the road history was about money. Those were the days when you made your own schedules and played the SEC schools you wanted. We kind of screw our selves a bunch. The only rule I think is you had to play 8 of the 10. Again playing bama so many times was a monetary decision.

[Jack Lambert]

Of the "Traditional 10" SEC schools, guess which teams have played Bama and Vandy the most and the least?

MSU has played Bama more than any other SEC school, and has played Vandy less than any SEC school.
The Bears have played Bama less than any other SEC school, and has played Vandy more than any SEC school.

The Bears never played Bama in any of their six SEC championship seasons.

No one has played Bama more then State.

[Taog Redloh]

Alabama is at the heart of most everything that goes wrong for the other teams in the SEC.

Why do you think Ole Miss is JUST NOW getting in trouble with the NCAA?

[benbow]

Alabama and Auburn played every year in Birmingham. It became a virtual Alabama home game with seating preferences and parking preferences that made that a fact. Besides it was only 40 minutes from the Bama campus. Auburn Coach Pat Dye put his foot down and told Bama the game would be held on alternating years at Auburn and he didn't give a damn where Alabama located it in their year. Alabama didn't like it but Auburn didn't back down and it has been on alternating campuses ever since.

[RocketDawg]

Since we started alternating sites with LSU, Alabama, and Auburn (home, in Starkville and away games), how has our record compared against those teams vs. how the record was when we played at their place virtually every year? In other words, has us playing on campus improved our winning percentage against those schools?

[lamont]

Since we started alternating sites with LSU, Alabama, and Auburn (home, in Starkville and away games), how has our record compared against those teams vs. how the record was when we played at their place virtually every year? In other words, has us playing on campus improved our winning percentage against those schools?

We are 35-68-3 vs LSU...from 31-73- we went 12-30-1....we played in Mississippi 4 times in that stretch

[lamont]

Since we started alternating sites with LSU, Alabama, and Auburn (home, in Starkville and away games), how has our record compared against those teams vs. how the record was when we played at their place virtually every year? In other words, has us playing on campus improved our winning percentage against those schools?

Our problem with Auburn was from 1955-1990- we went 6-29-1...we played 12 games in Mississippi during that stretch

[ShotgunDawg]

Since we started alternating sites with LSU, Alabama, and Auburn (home, in Starkville and away games), how has our record compared against those teams vs. how the record was when we played at their place virtually every year? In other words, has us playing on campus improved our winning percentage against those schools?

I'm not sure how much playing on campus has helped to win games in the current era, but I think it must be recognized that the current power houses were built when we were playing them on the road each year &, due to winning then, they recruited better, &, due to recruiting better, they won, built traditions, legendary coaches, etc... & the cycle has continued till this day. The only semi-current SEC power that wasn't built in those years is Florida, but, other than Texas A&M, they have more capitalistic advantages than anyone.

When MSU won the SEC in the early 1940s, what if we would have played a balanced home & road schedule beginning then & started the recruiting & winning cycles for ourselves?

So..... it's not about how our record against Bama & LSU has changed since we started playing them on campus, it's about where our program would be if we had had the opportunity build our own on campus traditions & winning tradition.

In end though, I still believe capitalism would have won out & teams like Bama, LSU, Florida, etc... would still have the advantages due to more instate population, location, & more money within the state. However, I do believe our history would look much better & we'd have more brand awareness across the country.

[the59dawg]

Just heard them say on SECN that Alabama never played a game at Auburn until 1989. How does that happen? They also didnt play at all from 1908-1948
OM never would play Alabama hardly at all- 9-48 vs them all-time including their 2 game win streak. OM started playing them every season starting in 1980- 5-31 since then. State is 7-29 in that time frame
We used to play home games vs Auburn in B'ham
Ga Tech withdrew from the SEC over illegal recruiting practices that the SEC wouldnt amend
Tulane dropped out because they felt academics was being overshadowed by athletics and they werent competing anymore

We have such an abysmal record in the SEC because we used to play Auburn, Alabama, and LSU on the road year after year.
From 1933-1957- State played Alabama in Tuscaloosa every year but 1. From 1967-1979 we played in Alabama 8 times and in Jackson 5 times
We played Auburn in Mississippi 5 times before 1970- but played them in the state of Alabama 38 times
From 1931-1970- we played LSU in Louisiana every year but 3 times. Those 3 in Jackson. 1931-1957 all at LSU

Interesting to look back at the politics of how why we are where we are today. And why we lag behind.

Heck we used to sell our games to them all. We made more money that way than having home games. Jackson started the trend away from selling our home game.

[ShotgunDawg]

Heck we used to sell our games to them all. We made more money that way than having home games. Jackson started the trend away from selling our home game.

Different world back then. We always compare in modern times, but getting from Jackson or Memphis to Starkville was a pain in the arse. There were no 4 lane roads & cars weren't as fast, efficient, or as comfortable as they are today.

Even Alabama played in Birmingham for the same reasons we played in Jackson & Tuscaloosa is only 45 minutes from Birmingham. LSU & Tennessee didn't need to move their games because they were already located in sizable cities.

[Dawgpile]

Ga Tech withdrew from the SEC over illegal recruiting practices that the SEC wouldnt amend

GaTech fancied themselves as the "Notre Dame of the South", and used a variety of excuses, primarily the 140 rule (maximum 140 scholarship athletes across all sports) as the excuse to leave the conference.

They were in such a high place because in those days national prominence was tied to media coverage / big media markets. Atlanta was THE major media market in the South at the time. The SEC as a whole benefited from that coverage.

I remember the resentment of my elders that GaTech left when/the way they did, and the damage they perceived that was done to the conference. As long as those who remember are around, GaTech will never get back in the SEC.

[TUSK]

Alabama and Auburn played every year in Birmingham. It became a virtual Alabama home game with seating preferences and parking preferences that made that a fact. Besides it was only 40 minutes from the Bama campus. Auburn Coach Pat Dye put his foot down and told Bama the game would be held on alternating years at Auburn and he didn't give a damn where Alabama located it in their year. Alabama didn't like it but Auburn didn't back down and it has been on alternating campuses ever since.

They split the tickets longitudinally between the two schools... one side side was orange and blue, the other crimson and white....

[ShotgunDawg]

They split the tickets longitudinally between the two schools... one side side was orange and blue, the other crimson and white....

Big word for a Bama fan

[TUSK]

Big word for a Bama fan

Thanks, buddy... I'm like all educated n shite...

[Mutt the Hoople]

One more thing....lights. Both State and om didn't have lights on their fields. So, we'd play games in Jackson, Birmingham, and Memphis because they had lights.

[Taog Redloh]

In end though, I still believe capitalism would have won out & teams like Bama, LSU, Florida, etc... would still have the advantages due to more instate population, location, & more money within the state. However, I do believe our history would look much better & we'd have more brand awareness across the country.

I think you're correct here. Ultimately buying power comes from the things you list, so that was why we were in the position to sell our games so easily, and why we were so easily pushed around. I mean all those teams' fanbases were always bigger than ours. Alabama/Auburn had 80K stadiums filled up in the 80s and we were still rolling in 40K Scott Field.

[ShotgunDawg]

I think you're correct here. Ultimately buying power comes from the things you list, so that was why we were in the position to sell our games so easily, and why we were so easily pushed around. I mean all those teams' fanbases were always bigger than ours. Alabama/Auburn had 80K stadiums filled up in the 80s and we were still rolling in 40K Scott Field.

Your absolutely correct. It's easy to look at those things in hindsight & say, "If only we had played those games on campus....." but we simply don't know the circumstances that surrounded those decisions.

For all we know, MSU's athletic budget for the year was $12 & we could make $10 by playing in Baton Rouge whereas we would've only made $5 by playing the games in Starkville.

It's a little bit like Back to the Future. How would today be different if MSU would've played those games at home? We may have an 80,000 seat stadium, but it's also possible that we don't exist because the program went bankrupt in 1956