Saw where Curt Schilling was fired from ESPN tonight

[ckDOG]

Silly question. Do we enforce robbery laws by placing a cop on every doorstep? Do we enforce speeding laws by putting a cop on every street?

You rob or don't rob. You speed or don't speed. I can observe that pretty easily. Are you transgendered or not? Often times, you aren't going to be able to confirm that without stopping somebody and confirming if they have a dick or not. If that's the path we want to go down fine, but y'all don't come crying to me when ugly wives and daughters get pulled aside to prove they don't have a penis.

[Quaoarsking]

Forget about the drunk driving and and answer this simple question. Do you think a grown man should be able to use the same restroom as women and young girls? Don't bullshit around the answer, yes or no?

No, and no liberal, moderate, or Trumper does either. But transwomen should be able to.

Reasonable people (IE, liberals, moderates, Kasich Republicans, and Trump Republicans) know that this is a man who belongs in the men's bathroom:


Unreasonable people (Cruz Republicans) apparently believe that because this man was assigned the female gender at birth and/or has XX chromosomes (there are a lot of genetic abnormalities out there, and sex chromosomes have never determined sex or gender at 100% levels) that this man should be peeing next to their wives and daughters. And to be fair, I don't think he's going to bother anyone in there, but I can see why women would be uncomfortable with him in there and would resent the Cruz fringe for forcing him there to force him to fit to their non-scientific views on gender.

I'm saying there is a non-zero risk of increased danger to innocent people from laws allowing unfettered access to bathrooms and locker rooms based on gender "self-identity," which is a claim that doesn't require surgery or alternate clothing, etc. at all.

It seems clear to me that laws like this certainly make it possible for any predator to simply claim whatever they want and have legal access to places they didn't before, and in fact feel inspired (and even encouraged by the activist class) to try it out for the sake of pushing that envelope.

Sorry if I was unclear.

First of all, we should remember that the "new laws" are generally the ones that prohibit trans people from going into the bathroom they identify with, as they always have been with no objections from the Cruz fringe. They weren't hurting anything, and nobody knew or cared. (Remember, this is the exact same argument that presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump, a pretty fringy guy himself, used. It's not a particularly liberal one.) Yes, a few states and cities have explicitly established legal protections for the trans, but the laws that have gotten everyone fired up are states like NC and MS changing the status quo to force the man I pictured to pee with our wives and daughters.

Is it possible that a man could fake being trans walk into a ladies room and assault someone? I guess, these discrimination laws aren't going to change that. Ironically, they are just going to force more men (like the one pictured) into the ladies room, and women like the one below:

into the men's room, where she might run into problems. It's much more likely that women like her will be assaulted in the men's room, because that's an actual change to the status quo.

As I said earlier, I think a lot of the posters here view trans people weirdo, sicko obvious men in a wig and a dress, but that's not true. Drag queens aren't trans (generally speaking). Actual trans people go to great lengths to pass as the gender they identify with. True, trans people are disproportionately poor and some of them can't afford transition therapy, but under the ACA, all health insurance will cover that starting in 2017. So maybe pretty soon, even poor trans people will be able to blend in and no one will ever know.

[dawgoneyall]

Drunk driving is a serious issue and likely many posters have friends or acquaintances that have been affected by it. I definitely worry about drunk drivers. Look at the stats. What are you saying? Being abducted by a transgendered person in a public restroom is as big of a risk as being hit by a drunk driver? That's not even a stretch. That's insane.

Are you serious?
Your response is about as clueless as one can get.

At what what point did I say drunk driving wasn't serious. Do not know why I responded to your mindless prattle.

[dawgoneyall]

No. Follow your parts. If there's going to be a rule, that's the only way to be objective about it.

Now if you want to ask me if I would get bent out or shape if I found out transgendered people were pissing and shitting in bathrooms opposite of their genitalia, no I'm not. Why? 1) I'm probably not going to notice 2) they are going to relieve themselves and walk out like everyone else does.

Say there is a law. How do we enforce it? ID at the door? Crotch pats? I'm against stupid laws that can't be enforced and don't actually do anything to make society safer or more productive. It's a waste of time, effort, and money. We've got better things to worry about. Debt. Terrorism. Unemployment. Drunk drivers. Government waste. Entitlements funding or reform. Where people shit should be wayyyyyy down on our lists.

Some people's brain allow them to worry about several things.
Some can't.

[dawgoneyall]

You rob or don't rob. You speed or don't speed. I can observe that pretty easily. Are you transgendered or not? Often times, you aren't going to be able to confirm that without stopping somebody and confirming if they have a dick or not. If that's the path we want to go down fine, but y'all don't come crying to me when ugly wives and daughters get pulled aside to prove they don't have a penis.

You really are limited.

[dawgoneyall]

Truth: An XX chromosome pairing determines femaleness. An XY chromosome pairing determines maleness.
"The truth is incontrovertible.Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.".....Winston Churchill

And that is the way it is. It is not complicated.

[ckDOG]

Are you serious?
Your response is about as clueless as one can get.

At what what point did I say drunk driving wasn't serious. Do not know why I responded to your mindless prattle.

You didn't. And neither did I. You brought it up. Feel free to prove that transgendered bathroom assaults are as big of a risk of drunk driving. You made the comparison. Not me.

[Quaoarsking]

Truth: An XX chromosome pairing determines femaleness. An XY chromosome pairing determines maleness.
"The truth is incontrovertible.Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.".....Winston Churchill

And that is the way it is. It is not complicated.

Except that it literally is very complicated:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex..._system#Humans

Some males are XX (XX male syndrome). Some females are XY (Androgen insensitivty syndrome). There's also other combos like just an X (Turner syndrome) or XYY, XXX, XXY, etc. Lots of genetic abnormalities out there.

[Apoplectic]

No, and no liberal, moderate, or Trumper does either. But transwomen should be able to.

Reasonable people (IE, liberals, moderates, Kasich Republicans, and Trump Republicans) know that this is a man who belongs in the men's bathroom:


Unreasonable people (Cruz Republicans) apparently believe that because this man was assigned the female gender at birth and/or has XX chromosomes (there are a lot of genetic abnormalities out there, and sex chromosomes have never determined sex or gender at 100% levels) that this man should be peeing next to their wives and daughters. And to be fair, I don't think he's going to bother anyone in there, but I can see why women would be uncomfortable with him in there and would resent the Cruz fringe for forcing him there to force him to fit to their non-scientific views on gender.


First of all, we should remember that the "new laws" are generally the ones that prohibit trans people from going into the bathroom they identify with, as they always have been with no objections from the Cruz fringe. They weren't hurting anything, and nobody knew or cared. (Remember, this is the exact same argument that presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump, a pretty fringy guy himself, used. It's not a particularly liberal one.) Yes, a few states and cities have explicitly established legal protections for the trans, but the laws that have gotten everyone fired up are states like NC and MS changing the status quo to force the man I pictured to pee with our wives and daughters.

Is it possible that a man could fake being trans walk into a ladies room and assault someone? I guess, these discrimination laws aren't going to change that. Ironically, they are just going to force more men (like the one pictured) into the ladies room, and women like the one below:

into the men's room, where she might run into problems. It's much more likely that women like her will be assaulted in the men's room, because that's an actual change to the status quo.

As I said earlier, I think a lot of the posters here view trans people weirdo, sicko obvious men in a wig and a dress, but that's not true. Drag queens aren't trans (generally speaking). Actual trans people go to great lengths to pass as the gender they identify with. True, trans people are disproportionately poor and some of them can't afford transition therapy, but under the ACA, all health insurance will cover that starting in 2017. So maybe pretty soon, even poor trans people will be able to blend in and no one will ever know.

yea yea yea we know this is the lgbtqrst talking point from the head office. normal pragmatic people with 2.3 kids just trying to get through life don't want Johnny in the high school girls locker room now that he decides he wants to be jenny. do you get it? the problem is not with the traditional family. the problem is johnny or jenny or maybe the its half-assed self-absorbed parents that are more concerned with their Facebook status than their kids being normal and fitting in.

[Bucky Dog]

And Schilling says this morning if he depended on ESPN for his livelihood he probably would have done things differently. But he says he doesn't need their money and he is a guy that won't back down to anyone when it comes to his opinion and beliefs. That's the issue here. He's not discriminating, just stating his opinion on how he feels about the less than 1%. That's the issue when the overwhelming majority agrees with him on this issues, and many others, but are punished now for having any opinion opposite of the minority. It's not racism or bigotry, it's morals and opinions and true beliefs that most of us cherish!

[lefty96]

I would be curious to know what would have happened if Schilling aired his beliefs on say "Meet the Press" in a professional manner rather than with meme generators on social media. We will never know, but I wonder if the results would be different.

[M.Fillmore]

A person’s belief that he or she is something they are not is, at best, a sign of confused thinking.

Which hate monger bigot on this board made this statement? Actually no one. It is a direct quote from the American College of Pediatricians.

http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-sp...harms-children

[drunkernhelldawg]

I would be curious to know what would have happened if Schilling aired his beliefs on say "Meet the Press" in a professional manner rather than with meme generators on social media. We will never know, but I wonder if the results would be different.

His belief is legitimate (though I disagree), but the vulgarity is inexcusable. Awesome point by you.

[Engine]

Which hate monger bigot on this board made this statement? Actually no one. It is a direct quote from the American College of Pediatricians.

http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-sp...harms-children

This is why the laws are needed. The left is anti-science. The culture needs to get back to normal. NORMAL.

[Quaoarsking]

The American College of Pediatricians is an explicitly right-wing and anti-LGBT advocacy group. Feel free to believe them if you want, but don't be fooled by the "official" sounding name into thinking its statements are representative of pediatricians nationwide.

[Engine]

The freaks have gone too far. The normal are finally standing up.

[M.Fillmore]

The American College of Pediatricians is an explicitly right-wing and anti-LGBT advocacy group. Feel free to believe them if you want, but don't be fooled by the "official" sounding name into thinking its statements are representative of pediatricians nationwide.

My, my, such tolerance.

[M.Fillmore]

Tony Kornheiser still co-hosts the sports program Pardon The Interruption. He compared the Tea Party to ISIS on ESPN Radio. Later when speaking with Huffington Post’s Howard Fineman, Kornheiser said of Tea Partiers in Congress, “Are they like ISIS trying to establish a caliphate here?!”

ESPN is showing their usual objectivity.***

[dawgoneyall]

You didn't. And neither did I. You brought it up. Feel free to prove that transgendered bathroom assaults are as big of a risk of drunk driving. You made the comparison. Not me.

I am doing it again...help me. It was an analogy....for love of....

[ckDOG]

I am doing it again...help me. It was an analogy....for love of....

I know it was an analogy. I'm telling you it was a horrible one. Not even in the ballpark for half decent analogies. Try again.

There's a drunk driving death about every hour. There's probably been 20 people killed since you drew the analogy. There probably weren't 20 people that noticed a transgendered person in the bathroom with them and cared about it during the same time.