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    If we want grit, desire, passion, and all those other things, we should hire Will Clark. Dude was cold blooded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by State82 View Post
    You're right and I don't mean to imply that. What I am saying is that our progression, as a program, is not where it should be in year eight. One host in his tenure to this point is not acceptable for a program that puts as much emphasis on the sport as we do. We should at least be in the discussion as a host site on a fairly regular basis. And we should never, ever even be close to missing the SEC tourney. And he has that on his resume also.
    I think its really the last 2 years that have brought us to this point. I think the first 5 years or so that led up to the CWS run was more than understandable. And I mean the slow progression from building up the mess left by Polk all the way to hosting a regional and having a CWS runner up position in 2013 was all well and good. I believe most of us at that point thought the program was established and we would have strong teams year after year after that like most upper tier programs do. That was not the case though as the next year a step back in BARELY making a 2 seed where we were shipped off to ULL and losing and then last year was a complete disaster. So the last 2 years have really gotten us off track for whatever reason but we are where we are. 2 things though that have been constant under Cohen though is a lack of consistent starting pitching and an offense that scores great against the sisters of the poor but struggles to do anything against quality teams. And I know that will always be the case to some degree but you have to score some to win any game just like wasting a tremendous outing the other night by Dakota Hudson because we couldn't do anything for 8 innings. Tied yesterday because the offense quit after the 3rd inning. And again Sexton and Brown really didn't give us what we needed out of our starters.

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    If we don't make the NCAA tournament this season Cohen should ABSOLUTELY be gone.
    That would mean he had missed the tournament 4 times in 8 years which is unfathomable. We should be HOSTING at a 50% clip, not missing the damn tournament.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dickiedawg View Post
    If we don't make the NCAA tournament this season Cohen should ABSOLUTELY be gone.
    That would mean he had missed the tournament 4 times in 8 years which is unfathomable. We should be HOSTING at a 50% clip, not missing the damn tournament.
    So, you expect Cohen to do something at MSU at a 50% clip, that was only done at a 20% clip before he arrived (we hosted in 2000 and 2003)? I'm talking since 1999, when the current format went into effect. If you go back farther, I bet that rate goes down until you get into the early early 90s.

    I'm not saying I don't want to host 50% of the time (or more). I'm simply pointing out that to do so would be a big improvement over what has become the norm at MSU.

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    The fact is that (if he misses the tournament this year) he will be doing something at a 50% clip that was only done at a 20 percent clip before he got here.

    Making the NCAAs is a damn low bar in baseball. I'd be pretty shocked if this team didn't do it but will be at the front of the fire Cohen train if we don't.
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    I think the pitching will take care of business. The position players who have the fire in their gut and should be in the lineup every game are Cody Brown, Robson, Marerro, and obviously, Kruger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by state66 View Post
    I disagree that Gavin is soft. I cant speak for his leadership but I have been on the field to see him. The kid wants to be great more so than any player I have seen. He tries so freaking hard that you feel like hes going to make a mistake cause hes trying so hard.
    Total cancer and waste of a spot on the roster!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickiedawg View Post
    The fact is that (if he misses the tournament this year) he will be doing something at a 50% clip that was only done at a 20 percent clip before he got here.

    Making the NCAAs is a damn low bar in baseball. I'd be pretty shocked if this team didn't do it but will be at the front of the fire Cohen train if we don't.
    So....what's your metric? Hosting 50% of the time or making a regional 80% of the time? Can't change the narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backwoodsdawg View Post
    Total cancer and waste of a spot on the roster!
    Wow... I won't doubt you bc you watched a heck of a lot more than I did in the preseason, but that's a hard accusation

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Wow... I won't doubt you bc you watched a heck of a lot more than I did in the preseason, but that's a hard accusation
    This is why you have to take opinions on a message board with a grain of salt.

    Backwoodsdawg on Collins: Total cancer and waste of a spot on the roster!

    state66 on Collins: I disagree that Gavin is soft. I cant speak for his leadership but I have been on the field to see him. The kid wants to be great more so than any player I have seen. He tries so freaking hard that you feel like he's going to make a mistake cause he's trying so hard.

    Nobody really knows the dynamics of a team that are not part of the team BUT the fact that Collins is apparently not taking care of business off the field and getting suspended is a concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Wow... I won't doubt you bc you watched a heck of a lot more than I did in the preseason, but that's a hard accusation
    Yeah that is probably a little harsh. He is a kid and that was wrong to say it like that! A nicer way to say it I guess is results matter and there are other kids that can help this team in the long run that have shown they can and don't bring the negativity to the field like some others. Some kids struggle to embrace their abilities and our coaches sometimes jam them down our throats weather they deserve it or not. I've seen a lot of baseball in my life and I know who players feed off of and are willing to put it all on the line for and I've seen ones that don't have that factor about them. We have plenty on this team that feed off of each other in a positive winning way then we have some that no matter how hard they try they just don't have the ability to be that guy. In order to win at this game you have to have ALL of those guys playing. This is just my opinion about the game and it could be right to some and wrong to some but its just how I feel. I'm just a dumb old man who loves to see the guy that RESPECTS the game play!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taog Redloh View Post
    So, you expect Cohen to do something at MSU at a 50% clip, that was only done at a 20% clip before he arrived (we hosted in 2000 and 2003)? I'm talking since 1999, when the current format went into effect. If you go back farther, I bet that rate goes down until you get into the early early 90s.

    I'm not saying I don't want to host 50% of the time (or more). I'm simply pointing out that to do so would be a big improvement over what has become the norm at MSU.
    People have to keep in mind that we hosted a lot of those regionals pre-2000 simply because of the size of the stadium and the guaranteed payday for the NCAA. Prior to 88, we hosted 4 times (79, 84, 85, 87 - i can't find a seed listing). We were the #2 or higher seed in 88, 89, 90, 92, & 97. The only reason we got those was $$. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backwoodsdawg View Post
    Yeah that is probably a little harsh. He is a kid and that was wrong to say it like that! A nicer way to say it I guess is results matter and there are other kids that can help this team in the long run that have shown they can and don't bring the negativity to the field like some others. Some kids struggle to embrace their abilities and our coaches sometimes jam them down our throats weather they deserve it or not. I've seen a lot of baseball in my life and I know who players feed off of and are willing to put it all on the line for and I've seen ones that don't have that factor about them. We have plenty on this team that feed off of each other in a positive winning way then we have some that no matter how hard they try they just don't have the ability to be that guy. In order to win at this game you have to have ALL of those guys playing. This is just my opinion about the game and it could be right to some and wrong to some but its just how I feel. I'm just a dumb old man who loves to see the guy that RESPECTS the game play!
    I feel you. I get pissed off when I see any player disrespecting the game. They're very fortunate to be able to play baseball at a high level to start with, and they shouldn't take that for granted whether it's MLB, SEC, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    People have to keep in mind that we hosted a lot of those regionals pre-2000 simply because of the size of the stadium and the guaranteed payday for the NCAA. Prior to 88, we hosted 4 times (79, 84, 85, 87 - i can't find a seed listing). We were the #2 or higher seed in 88, 89, 90, 92, & 97. The only reason we got those was $$. Period.
    Exactly, MSU fans got spoiled back in the day because we hosted a lot strictly due to financial reasons when we had not really earned the right. You can add '87 to the list where we got to host in a year that we only made the NCAAs because of winning the SEC tournament. 85 we were definitely a 1 seed, 84 I think North Carolina was the 1 seed and we were the 2 seed if memory serves. 79 I know little about.

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