Soooo....the burner phones are becoming a big issue

[TrapGame]

Good find B4D.

All three recruits landed at ole miss. All three recruits had burner phones w/ the same numbers. That's all the NCAA needs.

[oldjoedawg]

In the late 1960's and early '70s Barksdale worked for IBM in Memphis..he was a sales rep for them and sold the company for whom I worked our punched card stock and continuous forms for computer printing. That dude has come a long way....LOL Class of '62

Read his bio and you will see why. He recently built a direct link fiber optic system between Chicago and NY trading centers. Increasing the speed of information between the two sites by 3 milliseconds and allowed him to charge 8-10 times the going rates to use his connection. He used his own money and did it in secret.

[defiantdog]

I think talking to coaches is only about 20% of the reason for the burners.

You get it

[QuadrupleOption]

Well, shit. The next time Jim Barksdale comes in for a checkup I'm going to ask him exactly why he has more money than God.

From the interwebs:

"James Love Barksdale is an American executive who served as the president and CEO of Netscape Communications Corporation from January 1995 until the company merged with AOL in March 1999."

That'd explain it.

[Spiderman]

I said last week I had always been told the coaches used burners, since they have been made available. Under the rules, every call has to be logged for the compliance office.

Burners get around that.

Still don't see why the kid would need a burner. He can legally call a coach any time on a clean coaches phone.

Burners are also used to text, mainly "Call me 911" or for under the table crap, from coach to player.

Player then calls coach's clean phone.

More interesting than burners is rumors of the new "Currency". Passwords to Paypal and like accounts.

Order from Amazon and Ebay, pay by Paypal. Only the Paypal is in no way connected, or traceable to to you.

Free items to keep or sell.

Online currency, impossible to trace without supena power.

[confucius say]

What keeps any school facing sanctions from pulling a Patriots Deflategate deal and having a court overrule sanctions? I'm just not familiar with the processes and can's and cant's

That court was only upholding, or not, the arbitration bt the nfl and patriots. There was no lawsuit. The nfl and it's teams have an arbitration agreement between them for those kind of disputes. The ncaa and it's teams do not. A university would have to file suit, which opens up formal discovery. No school wants that.

[maroonmania]

Remember Renardo. NCAA ruled him ineligible until his family turned over private financial records. They may not have subpoena power but they sure as hell have you can sit your ass on the bench until we get our way power.

Plus the NCAA, once proving you guilty of SOME allegations, has GREAT leeway regarding the punishment. They can convict you on what they've shown you've done and absolutely can punish you on what they think you've done.

[Billy17]

They will have most, if not all, of the features of standard phones. There will be a log of all calls made/received and to/from.

I think they are just regular phones just prepaid- that was stupid to give recruits a burner phone when all they had to do is get a burner for themselves and if they called the recruits personal phone it wouldnt be traced back to them

[Dawgowar]

Couple of things -

Phones leave digital trails. Internet, Apps, etc - we live in an era where both political parties can trace individual voter issues to a specific household member. You don't give a kid a shiny new toy that his friends will see said toy and not expect his little egotistical self to brag about it.

Human nature is to brag on your own sense of self-importance - this is why we as a nation do such extensive vetting, or are supposed to, on those hired to execute sensitive duties. Handing out your achilles heal -flagrant rules violation with major security holes in it - to a kid you can't control in crunch time is both arrogant and monumentally STUPID. I mean if they are holding free BJ's and cash being cut off over them it will work only to the extent the kid's parents or coaches do not intervene - or a Saban. At that point the NCAA can turn that method against you. What is unknown to us is how LONG in the process the NCAA had the phone and how long the kids cooperated.

Think about that. If those kids or their parents have been assisting the NCAA for months not just weeks then UNM just walked into the lions den. The NCAA has rules they have to abide by to prove their cases but as noted, it is not the standard of reasonable doubt or even that of a civil court.

When a kid gets confronted with minimal evidence, along with his parents and high school administration, they are all going to protect the kid, not the suitor - and that means they willingly give up the info. The NCAA holds the kid's athletic and Academic/Life future in their hands. "Cooperate or you will never be eligible to compete in any NCAA athletic program" UNM can't protect the kid at this point.

If these phones were given up under this type off circumstance then UNM is indeed having the moment when you realize your last airplane engine just turned off in flight. Happy landings!

[Jack Lambert]

All you need to know is there's a reason Terrorist use these type of phones.

[Billy17]

So can they be traced to what cell tower they used?

[Swami Dawg]

Till now I have not been heard of this reasoning.

Why is it for to being necessary to trace calls and numbers?

Is it not for impermissible to be giving the phone itself? If many recruits are to be saying they had been given electronic goods (phone, iPad, laptop, xbox) that in itself is being a violation. No need in finding who calling or texting who.

Perhaps it is not being as bad violation as extra contactings but phone by itself is breaking of the rules.

Swami

[confucius say]

Till now I have not been heard of this reasoning.

Why is it for to being necessary to trace calls and numbers?

Is it not for impermissible to be giving the phone itself? If many recruits are to be saying they had been given electronic goods (phone, iPad, laptop, xbox) that in itself is being a violation. No need in finding who calling or texting who.

Perhaps it is not being as bad violation as extra contactings but phone by itself is breaking of the rules.

Swami

You for to being right, swami

[Dawgowar]

So can they be traced to what cell tower they used?

Well beyond that. Just depends how much the NCAA is willing to spend to have them traced all over the net as well as their actual calls. And if any of those kids used them for social media - OH MY

[engie]

So can they be traced to what cell tower they used?

Everything on them can be reviewed -- by governing bodies with subpoena power and unlimited funds. Wiping them doesn't clear their drive imprints. I sincerely doubt the NCAA has anyone in a technology forensic position however. And even if they did, it's a lot of resources to dedicate.

Burners calling burners isn't going to give them much. The players saying "OM gave us burners" may get them further slapped on the wrist or further the case for LOIC -- but it's not nearly as cut and dry as having the actual evidence existing on the phone. A smart "criminal" in this case is going to give them a good enough phone that they(as the "contract holder" which if they are smart still doesn't tie directly to them individually) both can trace and remotely wipe. Providing prepaid iphones, for instance, gives the provider damn near unlimited power if they were tech savvy on the front end. Can spy on the recruit to an insane extent without them knowing. And still have the ability to "burn" them remotely at a moment's notice.

The phones might provide another piece here to help get them -- but they are most likely not smoking guns if they were done by the pros. Then again, they've been sloppy and lazy lately -- so hopefully they didn't take the necessary precautions to properly insulate themselves, and will thus fry for it. One can hope -- just shouldn't expect -- IMO.

[Dawgowar]

Till now I have not been heard of this reasoning.

Why is it for to being necessary to trace calls and numbers?

Is it not for impermissible to be giving the phone itself? If many recruits are to be saying they had been given electronic goods (phone, iPad, laptop, xbox) that in itself is being a violation. No need in finding who calling or texting who.

Perhaps it is not being as bad violation as extra contactings but phone by itself is breaking of the rules.

Swami

Wise, but the more details one has the more violations and number of occurrences can be traced.

More evidence eliminates opportunities to deny.

This brings more opportunities to punish

[Dawgowar]

Everything on them can be reviewed -- by governing bodies with subpoena power and unlimited funds. Wiping them doesn't clear their drive imprints. I sincerely doubt the NCAA has anyone in a technology forensic position however. And even if they did, it's a lot of resources to dedicate.

Burners calling burners isn't going to give them much. The players saying "OM gave us burners" may get them further slapped on the wrist or further the case for LOIC -- but it's not nearly as cut and dry as having the actual evidence existing on the phone. A smart "criminal" in this case is going to give them a good enough phone that they(as the "contract holder" which if they are smart still doesn't tie directly to them individually) both can trace and remotely wipe. Providing prepaid iphones, for instance, gives the provider damn near unlimited power if they were tech savvy on the front end. Can spy on the recruit to an insane extent without them knowing. And still have the ability to "burn" them remotely at a moment's notice.

The phones might provide another piece here to help get them -- but they are most likely not smoking guns if they were done by the pros. Then again, they've been sloppy and lazy lately -- so hopefully they didn't take the necessary precautions to properly insulate themselves, and will thus fry for it. One can hope -- just shouldn't expect -- IMO.

Engie - it does not take near the resources many people think. Depends on NCAA intent, will, and budget. Yes there are some areas only law enforcement can go. Depending on use though there are ways those in the public domain can accomplish a great deal more than many think.

[RTO Dawg]

NCAA is investigating what benefits the burners provided...if they untie that knot...watch out

[Political Hack]

You can't call your cell phone company right now and ask for a log of your own text messages without a court order. It's too costly and they won't provide it. They can provide a call/text log, with the other number, but not he actual messages (voice or text) without court papers.

[Dawgowar]

You can't call your cell phone company right now and ask for a log of your own text messages without a court order. It's too costly and they won't provide it. They can provide a call/text log, with the other number, but not he actual messages (voice or text) without court papers.

But you can associate the numbers - and if any social media app has been used it will open up other avenues. If your name relates to your way of earning a paycheck you know how detailed big data can go. All in non-legal channels. Quite sure the NCAA can access the same companies the politicos of the world use.