How many more schools will UM's Culture of Corruption bring down with them?

[MadDawg]

I think a blind man could see a pattern here.

[RIdog]

I think a blind man could see a pattern here.

Don't know but _ talked with a family member who's huge UNM backer and he says "they are prepared to burn the entire conference down with them" . Insinuates they have MAJOR dirt on nearly the whole SEC and before this is over the SEC will look like the old SWC with 10 or 12 teams on probation - bluffing ?

[Bass Chaser]

They don't have that kind of pull.

[ShotgunDawg]

Don't know but _ talked with a family member who's huge UNM backer and he says "they are prepared to burn the entire conference down with them" . Insinuates they have MAJOR dirt on nearly the whole SEC and before this is over the SEC will look like the old SWC with 10 or 12 teams on probation - bluffing ?

I obviously hope Ole Miss burns, but I can sympathize with this to some degree.

Ole Miss is cheating their ass off, but we all know that because they have made such massive, unexplained leaps in recruiting. However, does that mean that Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, & LSU aren't cheating their ass off as well?

As dirty as Ole Miss is, it stands out more because they came out of nowhere, while the "blue bloods" likely get away with murder on the recruiting trail but no one cares or notices because it can all be explained away by saying that have tradition, win national titles, & have big stadiums.

As an MSU fan that hopes to see MSU win a national title someday, this is concerning. Because it means that MSU has to play things completely clean while all the more traditional powers have the divine right to cheat.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Everyone in the SEC has enough dirt on every team in the conference to bring the SEC down. Just depends on if anyone decides to "push the button ". The old Cold War term " mutually assured destruction" comes to mind.

[Liverpooldawg]

Man, we have people who buy whatever line they put out.

[ScottH]

They don't have that kind of pull.

The humorous thing is their complete oblivion to their real standing in the pecking order.

[Dawgface]

Don't know but _ talked with a family member who's huge UNM backer and he says "they are prepared to burn the entire conference down with them" . Insinuates they have MAJOR dirt on nearly the whole SEC and before this is over the SEC will look like the old SWC with 10 or 12 teams on probation - bluffing ?

Good. Then we will all be playing on an equal field.

[Taog Redloh]

Ole Miss is cheating their ass off, but we all know that because they have made such massive, unexplained leaps in recruiting. However, does that mean that Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, & LSU aren't cheating their ass off as well?

No, they aren't, and I'll tell you why.

There is a difference between those schools you listed and Ole freaking Miss. It's population base, geography, bigger cities in their states, fanbase size, overall resources, location, money, history, hardware, championships, Heisman trophies. Facilities may or may not be the same because you can only get so nice. Those big schools have 100K in the stands for FCS schools, Ole Miss has 62K for sellouts. I don't want to hate on MS but it just is what it is - we divided our people up and now we are trying to survive on less than our SEC brethren. If Ole Miss and MSU combined we'd have a similar school/program to those you list but until then it just isn't the same. Nowhere close.

Now, I'm sure those big schools cheat and throw money around. They have to compete with each other, after all. But a school at such a disadvantage, such as Ole Miss, has to pay significantly more. THAT is the point. The scale is much bigger at Ole Miss in order to make up for that huge gap in 'attractiveness', which is made up of those things I listed in the previous paragraph.

You say it's "concerning"? Well damn right it is. We've been trying to compete in this conference for decades and can only do it 25% of the time at best. Then people say, "LULZ you are the PROBLEMZZ!!!11 WOE is lil ole MOO U!! har har go DIE !!11" Well shit, it does seem to be a lost cause at times. I'd love to hear someone's logical solution to this, outside of a population boom in MS.

Honestly, if you want MSU to grow, you should love the Continental Tire announcement the other day. That's the only way MSU will ever TRULY build a fan/resource base big enough to compete.

[ShotgunDawg]

No, they aren't, and I'll tell you why.

There is a difference between those schools you listed and Ole freaking Miss. It's fanbase, overall resources, location, money, history, hardware, championships, Heisman trophies. Facilities may or may not be the same because you can only get so nice. Those big schools have 100K in the stands for FCS schools, Ole Miss has 62K for sellouts. I don't want to hate on MS but it just is what it is - we divided our people up and now we are trying to survive on less than our SEC brethren. If Ole Miss and MSU combined we'd have a similar school/program to those you list but until then it just isn't the same. Nowhere close.

Now, I'm sure those big schools cheat and throw money around. They have to compete with each other, after all. But a school at such a disadvantage, such as Ole Miss, has to pay significantly more. THAT is the point. The scale is much bigger at Ole Miss in order to make up for that huge gap in 'attractiveness', which is made up of those things I listed in the previous paragraph.

I completely agree & that's why Ole Miss' cheating STICKS out. But that doesn't mean that Alabama & LSU don't cheat for a prospect that both schools are competing over, it's just that it doesn't STICK out because it's assumed LSU & Bama can get who they want.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

What we really need to happen is the NCAA link Freeze's tenure to Waynesboro. Already have Saunders time covered. Now have Vaughn's time covered. I would imagine Vaughn's has to do with academics, either at Waynesboro and/or Attendance Center.

The rumor is that Tony Conner took his ACT in Waynesboro. I really, really hope so. If you remember, during his recruitment, talk was there was no way he was going to qualify. Don't forget about ze plan, ze plan. Oh, wait, I got the plan confused with ze plane, ze plane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mity4ewW464

I can't imagine that Freeze didn't use this avenue after having spent time with Saunders while he was doing it.

[Dawgtini]

Man, we have people who buy whatever line they put out.

This X 1000

[Irondawg]

Go back and check Rueben Foster recruiting as an example of Bama. Dude had a huge AU tatooed this his forearm when he committed and then ends up at Bama.

TN you can tell is back to being all in as they were down for a while and have leapt in recruiting with Jones. Bama became a much stronger recruiting force when Saban came on board. The Cam thing is obvious and at the time he was a slightly tarnished and unproven commodity.

OM has apparently rocked the boat by paying WAY more than typical pricing. How else do you explain them outbidding the deep pockets of A&M and the desperate UT boosters for someone like Little. Same thing for some other guys. I think they pushed the boundries and that's what's getting them into the mess.

the question is could they really go nuclear - I dont think they have the pull to make it happen.

[Mjoelner34]

I completely agree & that's why Ole Miss' cheating STICKS out. But that doesn't mean that Alabama & LSU don't cheat for a prospect that both schools are competing over, it's just that it doesn't STICK out because it's assumed LSU & Bama can get who they want.

It goes back to the analogy that someone made. If you're doing 60 in a 55 you're probably not going to get a ticket. But, when you're doing 105 in a 55, watch out! And, to add to it, it really becomes dangerous when you're doing 105 and you're running other cars off of the road that are being driven by Bama, UGA, Michigan and Ohio State.

There's no doubt that I think everyone in the SEC and most of college football consistently drives 60. Its the reckless drivers at 105 that need to be locked up.

[starkvegasdawg]

TSUN nuclear option in reality:

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

I think they pushed the boundries and that's what's getting them into the mess.

OM did a cannonball when they should have eased in the pool using the steps. If they had eased their way into buying players one or two at a time and gradually increased that number over several years, it wouldn't have been nearly as noticeable. If you steal a pen off a coworkers desk every few days, it's not as noticeable than taking all 10 in one day.

Now don't anybody get any ideas about stealing pens...

[ShotgunDawg]

It goes back to the analogy that someone made. If you're doing 60 in a 55 you're probably not going to get a ticket. But, when you're doing 105 in a 55, watch out! And, to add to it, it really becomes dangerous when you're doing 105 and you're running other cars off of the road that are being driven by Bama, UGA, Michigan and Ohio State.

There's no doubt that I think everyone in the SEC and most of college football consistently drives 60. Its the reckless drivers at 105 that need to be locked up.

Yeah, I made that analogy last year & it's stood the test of time.

[ShotgunDawg]

OM did a cannonball when they should have eased in the pool using the steps. If they had eased their way into buying players one or two at a time and gradually increased that number over several years, it wouldn't have been nearly as noticeable. If you steal a pen off a coworkers desk every few days, it's not as noticeable than taking all 10 in one day.

Now don't anybody get any ideas about stealing pens...

Exactly, good stocks & businesses grow over a period of a number of years & actually work to limit the growth so that they can properly manage it.

Any person that's involved in the stock market could have sniffed out that Ole Miss was dirty pretty quickly

[DawgHouseUnited]

Don't know but _ talked with a family member who's huge UNM backer and he says "they are prepared to burn the entire conference down with them" . Insinuates they have MAJOR dirt on nearly the whole SEC and before this is over the SEC will look like the old SWC with 10 or 12 teams on probation - bluffing ?

The problem with that is you're getting schools outside the SEC ringing OM's bell. Schools like ULaLa and now Texas. What other schools have they stolen (or tried to steal) croots from outside the SEC? Michigan? OSU?

Om can't go nuclear on everyone. I think it's a bluff.

[Tbonewannabe]

Don't know but _ talked with a family member who's huge UNM backer and he says "they are prepared to burn the entire conference down with them" . Insinuates they have MAJOR dirt on nearly the whole SEC and before this is over the SEC will look like the old SWC with 10 or 12 teams on probation - bluffing ?

So if this type of thing happened and most of the conference is hit with schollie bans and bowl bans, how would this even be implemented with the amount of corporate dollars associated with the SEC? Would the members vote to kick UM out of the SEC over this? I could see UM going to the Big 12 or something and the SEC adding someone else up the East Coast.