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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
Sorry I'm not buying this. If he had big time physical upside I could see him still getting drafted in the 1st round but his size is a major knock on him. He is a PG in size that can't play PG. Teams at the end of the 1st made the playoffs. They ain't dumb and they ain't reaching.
Malik Newman has tons of talent. Teams at the bottom of the draft are smart. Getting a very talented player at a lower draft slot than his talent would suggest, leading to the possibility of getting a steal, is a smart move.
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Walter Sharpe got drafted 1st round after being kicked off two teams and getting shot during a drug deal gone bad so I guess Newman could still possibly get drafted this year.
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You think they ask him daily?
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Senior Member
From what I've noticed about the nba, they are not in the business of development, either you're there or you're are not. Very rarely do NBA teams develop players that's why there are so many draft busts in the nba. Therefore, you have to develop prior to the draft. Newman is nowhere near developed. If he goes now, there is little chance he makes it, because he'll get lost in the D-Leauge like many others. If he's smart, he'll develop more before going
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Originally Posted by
MaxedOutMaroon
From what I've noticed about the nba, they are not in the business of development, either you're there or you're are not. Very rarely do NBA teams develop players that's why there are so many draft busts in the nba. Therefore, you have to develop prior to the draft. Newman is nowhere near developed. If he goes now, there is little chance he makes it, because he'll get lost in the D-Leauge like many others. If he's smart, he'll develop more before going
It's actually just the opposite. Now there are hardly ever 10 guys in the 1st round who can come in & make a real contribution to a team let alone be a focal point.
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Originally Posted by
Bubb Rubb
I understand it's hard for people to comprehend. Logic doesn't always apply. Unless something drastic happens, he's gone. He is saying it, his friends are saying it, hell, even Howland is saying it.
If it was this cut and dry -- why show up in the first place instead of just going overseas and getting paid like he openly discussed? The "he gone no matter what" shoe does not fit -- I don't care what is being chattered among friends.
The dude isn't leaving to go undrafted. For all the crazy talk -- the actual decisions made along the way have been very deliberate. He has no guarantees of being drafted right now. And certainly no real guaranteed money. If -- at the end of the season -- he needs another year to continue to learn the point(the only place he has a real potential NBA future), he is going to make the wise decision. We will see how it shakes out.
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Originally Posted by
shannondawg
You think they ask him daily?
Nope
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Originally Posted by
smootness
Malik Newman has tons of talent. Teams at the bottom of the draft are smart. Getting a very talented player at a lower draft slot than his talent would suggest, leading to the possibility of getting a steal, is a smart move.
What does he have that translates well as an NBA 2 guard?
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Originally Posted by
engie
If it was this cut and dry -- why show up in the first place instead of just going overseas and getting paid like he openly discussed? The "he gone no matter what" shoe does not fit -- I don't care what is being chattered among friends.
So you think going to live alone in Italy/china/Spain for money at 18 is cut and dry but going to college for 1 year isnt?
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Originally Posted by
Bubb Rubb
I understand it's hard for people to comprehend. Logic doesn't always apply. Unless something drastic happens, he's gone. He is saying it, his friends are saying it, hell, even Howland is saying it.
And I'm OK either way because, to be honest, he is not the level of player I thought he would be coming out of HS from all of the hype. I mean just saying that as honestly and fairly as I can. I'm not sure what the NBA is looking for but so far, other than his ability to knock down a perimeter shot when he is relatively open, I'm not sure what other exceptional skill he is bringing to an NBA team. He's not a distributor and while he has gotten better driving to the basket, he has trouble finishing. Not really a big time rebounder or defender and doesn't have hops or athleticism that jumps out at you. Maybe part of what is holding him back is he is not playing with other elite players but usually an elite player playing with average players shows out more than Malik has done so far. Anyway, I don't mean to sound negative because I am very glad that he followed in his Dad's footsteps and chose to play for us. And he is still certainly one of our better players but I guess with all of the one and done talk I was expecting a higher level of performance than what we've seen. And if I'm looking from an NBA perspective, I would be fairly hesistant to use a first round pick on him.
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Originally Posted by
engie
What does he have that translates well as an NBA 2 guard?
I never he said he'd be drafted as a 2-guard.
And he can shoot really well from range. His ability to score near the basket hasn't shown up like I expected, but if that part of his game comes along, he has plenty of potential even as an undersized 2. The kid is really talented.
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Late 1st-round picks in the NBA rarely amount to much. I definitely think there are teams that would rather use a pick like that on a high-ceiling, low-floor talent than somebody with little chance of ever amounting to much.
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Originally Posted by
engie
What does he have that translates well as an NBA 2 guard?
He can shoot. Good place to start for a shooting guard. I get your point, but thats a strong criticism.
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Originally Posted by
smootness
I never he said he'd be drafted as a 2-guard.
And he can shoot really well from range. His ability to score near the basket hasn't shown up like I expected, but if that part of his game comes along, he has plenty of potential even as an undersized 2. The kid is really talented.
If he is determined to **** up his NBA future so be it. Peters is a better PG already and he's still in high school. More minutes for Peters.
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Originally Posted by
smootness
Late 1st-round picks in the NBA rarely amount to much. I definitely think there are teams that would rather use a pick like that on a high-ceiling, low-floor talent than somebody with little chance of ever amounting to much.
100% agree. Ben Simmons isn't the best player in college ball but he's the best prospect bc of his ceiling. Not comparing the two, just that Malik has the talent to indicate his ceiling is much higher than his performance so far. Someone will take a low risk pick on the hope he reaches it.
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Perhaps the NBA is making a bet to the future, but he sure doesn't look ready.
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Originally Posted by
DudyDawg
100% agree. Ben Simmons isn't the best player in college ball but he's the best prospect bc of his ceiling. Not comparing the two, just that Malik has the talent to indicate his ceiling is much higher than his performance so far. Someone will take a low risk pick on the hope he reaches it.
Talent at what exactly?
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Originally Posted by
Ifyouonlyknew
I like draftexpress.com the best. nbadraft.net is the only mock draft site that doesn't have him in the 2nd round. Most mocks have him late 1st early 2nd.
Even that website has Newman in the second round. Hey, if he is a lock for the first round I agree he should go but we have seen two websites both have him either in the second round or undrafted. If he is a second round pick, he should come back one more year.
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Originally Posted by
MarketingBully
Even that website has Newman in the second round. Hey, if he is a lock for the first round I agree he should go but we have seen two websites both have him either in the second round or undrafted. If he is a second round pick, he should come back one more year.
If he's being listed in the 2nd round he's running a big risk of not getting drafted. Lots of 2nd round grades go undrafted. Ask Jamont Gordon. There will be 10-15 euros get drafted that aren't listed on any draft boards right now. Teams can stockpile them and keep their rights while they develop overseas. Newman is a fool if he leaves.
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Originally Posted by
DudyDawg
So you think going to live alone in Italy/china/Spain for money at 18 is cut and dry but going to college for 1 year isnt?
Is it all about the money or is it not?
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