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    Quote Originally Posted by Political Hack View Post
    Pointing to Freeze is pointless in the grand scheme of things. They have an Associate Athletics Director NAILED for this. A department administrator... For recruiting. That's LOIC or LOIC doesn't exist.

    I think a lot of people would love to see Freeze get a show cause mostly because of the way he waves his holier than thou spill every chance he gets, but ultimately his involvement means little to nothing in what the NCAA will decide to do to their athletic department.

    You should read the Notice of Allegations for UNC. Similar stuff, and they'll likely get a LOIC. UNC people are dreading the conclusion of that case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thompson92 View Post
    You should read the Notice of Allegations for UNC. Similar stuff, and they'll likely get a LOIC. UNC people are dreading the conclusion of that case.
    According some people in the know OM is next on the chopping block after UNC gets their sanctions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew View Post
    According some people in the know OM is next on the chopping block after UNC gets their sanctions.
    Any timeline?

    I feel like I've been hearing about UNC since I was 12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thompson92 View Post

    Also, I believe Steve mentioned the other day that Saunders was led to believe that he would be paid much more that year than he actually was. This would give credibility to the statements of people on this board that OM and Saunders have been throwing each other under the bus.
    I can't find it now but I remember looking it up this past fall when news was starting to trickle out that Saunders had sued them because he was promised a salary of close to $100k but was only paid around $12k. The two players if I remember correctly were Nutt and Boone. One wanted Saunders and the other didn't. I think Nutt is the one that promised him the moon salary-wise and Boone wouldn't pay it.

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    Well, Saunders was at Ole Miss from 1998-2002 as the "assistant to the athletics director for recruiting and coordinator of high school and community college relations".

    But I don't recall hearing of any miracles regarding academic qualification from that era. The first miracle was Oher, which coincided with the arrival of Freeze. Powe came along shortly thereafter.

    Also, while playing around on Google I ran across this BulldogBacker post on SPS from 5 years ago:

    01-10-2011, 02:18 PM
    A friend of mine, who is loyal to a fault to MSU, but closely associated
    with Ole Miss tells me that there is a bomb about to drop in the lap of
    the TSUN. The boys in Birmingham are investigating them. It seems
    ineligible signees over the last two years have been housed in Jackson
    and all their housing, transportation, tuition and book fees were paid
    by David Saunders, former TSUN Athletic Department Official. This was
    "The Plan." Over the past two years, unqualified recruits from
    Virginia, Florida, and Georgia signed by TSUN were transported to the
    Ed Center and all their fees paid by Ole Miss while they were getting
    qualified. While this has been the subject of rumor in the past, it
    seems the Boys in Birmingham now have photographic evidence of money
    passing from Saunders to the driver of the players. Further, they were
    also transported to Jackson State for illegal workouts.

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    They shut down the education center over this scandal if I recall correctly.

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    Does anyone know what Saunders was doing in between Ole Miss stints? 06-10?

    I remember something like he was working for Cellular South, but with high school athletes - sounds like Cellular South had a lot of people all over the state on the plan and on Cell South's dime.

    Google search has some hits to old message boards about "The Cellular South Game Plan" program, but I can't find any sort of official description of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingRabbit View Post
    Well, Saunders was at Ole Miss from 1998-2002 as the "assistant to the athletics director for recruiting and coordinator of high school and community college relations".

    But I don't recall hearing of any miracles regarding academic qualification from that era. The first miracle was Oher, which coincided with the arrival of Freeze. Powe came along shortly thereafter.:
    One of the first was the LB from South Panola. Can't remember his name but they put the "Dr." title in front of his name. Somebody will remember. I remember him driving a green Mazda 929 during his time there. All souped up with the rims and other crap of that time frame. I'm sure you know where the tires came from....for that matter probably the car that was attached to them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Political Hack View Post
    They shut down the education center over this scandal if I recall correctly.
    Is that the BYU backed one that they used to get players eligible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lachepas565 View Post
    I remember something like he was working for Cellular South, but with high school athletes - sounds like Cellular South had a lot of people all over the state on the plan and on Cell South's dime.

    Google search has some hits to old message boards about "The Cellular South Game Plan" program, but I can't find any sort of official description of it.
    http://www.scout.com/college/ole-mis...udent-athletes

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    Excellent! You should consider sending this to the NCAA. Copy Michael Adams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy Chucklelips View Post
    That's really interesting. Is there some connection between Ole Miss and Cellular South? Alumni? It's a big company so I'm sure lots of schools have executives there, but is the CEO/founder from Ole Miss?

    To me, that reads like an Ole Miss coach couldn't do a lot of stuff as a coach, so they sent him to a company so he could run this program outside of the NCAA's reach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX View Post
    Is that the BYU backed one that they used to get players eligible?
    No. The Ed Center in Jackson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lachepas565 View Post
    That's really interesting. Is there some connection between Ole Miss and Cellular South? Alumni? It's a big company so I'm sure lots of schools have executives there, but is the CEO/founder from Ole Miss?

    To me, that reads like an Ole Miss coach couldn't do a lot of stuff as a coach, so they sent him to a company so he could run this program outside of the NCAA's reach.
    The CEO is an Ole Miss grad and sent his kids there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderman View Post
    All I'm hearing from Reb Fan is,...... well none of this has anything to do with today. It all happened a long time ago and they can't get us for that. Statute of limitations and such.

    Ok, whatever. I have no idea how far they can go back if they can or can't get them, and any way, that's not the topic of this post.

    This is.........

    When Eddie O came in, all of a sudden some players who had no chance to were getting in school. Most notably Powe and Oher.

    If anybody has ever read The Blindside, there are some very telling things in there. One is the joke of the BYU courses, which I think are no longer allowed (but not sure). They were then. So even with the BYU courses, if you read the book you know there is no way Oher passed an ACT or SAT, whether timed or untimed , or read to him. Powe either.

    What was the common thread of all this?

    The Plan... quoted, heralded, fellated, spewed, and praises of sung of by every Reb Recruitnik from Chuck Rounsaville and his dingleberry Yancy, to the main dingleberry remover himself Shep Smith.

    Everybody still talks about The Plan. Most credit Saunders with it. I say Saunders learned it and maybe polished it from someone else.

    Who? Let's look at somethings.......

    1st exhibit.......

    2004-2005 (From Wikipedia)

    Oher's low grades were initially a barrier to his acceptance to an NCAA program. He eventually increased his 0.76 grade point average (GPA) to a 2.52 GPA by the end of his senior year so he could attend a Division I school by enrolling in some 10-day-long internet-based courses from Brigham Young University. Taking and passing the internet courses allowed him to replace Ds and Fs earned in earlier school classes, such as English, with As earned via the internet.[6] This finally raised his graduating GPA over the required minimum.


    According to a passage in the book, one of the A's, I believe it was for an English credit, was writing a short paper on Abe Lincoln. (Dumbass me sat through 2 semesters of Sr. HS English for no reason at all). No mention of ACT or SAT.

    Wow, that was a great Plan.

    Now let's take scholar Powe.....

    Powe returned to Waynesboro to retake courses, attended Penn Foster Career School, a prep school in Scranton, Pennsylvania, and took correspondence courses in 2006.


    Uh oh, now we are back in good old Wayneboro, home to Advanced ACT Tutoring.


    As we see Powe and Oher were already on The Plan before Saunders came back to Ole Miss in '06.

    Now, there were others on the Plan but let's just use these two well known examples for now.

    Exhibit 2......

    There is one common theme from the time Eddie O got there, Saunders arrived, and today.

    What would that theme be????

    One Danny Hugh Freeze, Jr.

    The well known HS football coach of Michael Oher. Who parlayed Oher into his current 4.7 million dollar a year job. Who helped Oher with the Plan. Who then worked alongside Saunders later on where they polished the Plan.

    Danny Hugh had a history in HS of being a great recruiter. If you read The Blindside you will know that not the Tuoghys, but Hugh Freeze got Oher into Briarcrest.

    Again from Wikipedia......

    The school's football coach, Hugh Freeze, submitted Oher's school application to the headmaster, who agreed to accept him if Oher could complete a home study program first. Despite not finishing the program, he was admitted when the headmaster realized that his requirement had removed Oher from the public education system.

    Note... Briarcrest is not a public school.

    Then, after enrollment...

    In 2004, Leigh Anne and Sean Tuohy, a couple with a daughter and son attending Briarcrest, allowed Oher to live with them and eventually adopted him.The family began tending to his needs after becoming familiar with his difficult childhood. They also hired a tutor for him, who worked with him for 20 hours per week


    Sean Tuoghy was a a "volunteer" football coach for Briarcrest at the time. And wealthy enough to hire a private tutor( who was also an avid Ole Miss fan) for Oher. And pay his tuition so his buddy Danny Hugh could get him a stud O-Lineman. Make no mistake, Michael Oher was Ole Miss bound from the get go. But he was not gonna make it academically until the Plan, tutor or no tutor. Because as we can see, even with the tutor, Oher only managed a 0.76 GPA.

    The NCAA looked into all of this and this is basically what they had issue with....

    The first issue was that Oher's grade-point average (GPA) was still too low to meet the requirements for a Division I scholarship at the time of the offer from Ole Miss. That difficulty was corrected by graduation, when Oher completed online classes through Brigham Young University.

    The Plan worked.

    Issue number 2.......

    The second issue was the Tuohys' preexisting relationship with the school and the fact that Ole Miss hired Freeze twenty days after Oher signed his letter of intent. Freeze asserted that his position with Ole Miss was not an example of quid pro quo for encouraging Oher to attend the school, but rather the result of his preexisting relationship with Ole Miss offensive coordinator Noel Mazzone.

    Now that's some serious bullshit there. I'm sure if Danny Hugh had been at Fuzznut HS without the top O-lineman in the nation, Coach O would have hired Ole Danny Hugh strictly on the recommendation of the newly hired Mazzone, (who Coach O didn't know, and hired only because of a recommendation from Dennis Erickson, and thought so much of him that he fired him that same year)

    Issue number 3.....

    Freeze was found guilty of secondary violations for contacting other Memphis-area recruits before joining the Ole Miss staff.

    Damn, Danny Hugh was an NCAA cheat before he ever even got to Ole Miss. Now that's impressive.

    So we see that Hugh Freeze was looked at askance before even getting his office job at Ole Miss, where in said office he was supposed to have no contacts with recruits anyway.

    In 2005, the University of Mississippi hired Freeze as an assistant athletic director for football external affairs.

    In no way should he have talked to any recruit off campus with this job. Notice the job title "Football External Affairs." In other words, glad handling HS and JUCO coaches.
    But as we saw, he was doing what he had always done well, recruiting Memphis. Just like his HS days when he recruited Oher and everybody's favorite woman beater, Greg Hardy to Briarcrest.... Hardy amazingly ended up on the Plan and at Ole Miss also.

    The following season, he became the tight ends coach and recruiting coordinator, positions he held through 2007.

    So, as we see here, Danny Hugh was on staff and executing the Plan long before Saunders reached Ole Miss in 2006.

    After that season, he replaced head coach Ed Orgeron on an interim basis before the hiring of Houston Nutt.

    Hey Ole Miss, did you realize that you fired Freeze to hire Nutt? Off topic, but the thought made me laugh.

    Freeze interviewed for the offensive coordinator position with Nutt, a position that eventually went to Kent Austin.

    Again, a little off topic but at coaching clinics around the south when Nutt was hired, I heard from many coaches that should know, that Coach O warned Nutt about "that backstabbing little shit Freeze."

    Boone loved Freeze , who reportedly was feeding Boone negative stuff on Coach O to him, and tried to pressure Nutt into keeping him. I've also been told that Nutt not doing so was the 1st crack in the Nutt- Boone relationship.

    I never thought I'd hear Hugh Freeze's name after that. My, was I mistaken!

    So to sum up........

    The NCAA ended up at ULL because of stuff uncovered at Ole Miss. That is irrefutable. They went after Saunders, who we have seen by evidence and timeline, arrived at Ole Miss AFTER the Plan was already being used. Saunders was judged guilty by the NCAA.

    I submit Saunders isn't the 'mastermind" of the Plan.

    So who was?

    Who was at Ole Miss before Saunders and already using the Plan even before he, Freeze, was at Ole Miss? Who is at Ole Miss now, and again seemingly working miracles enticing young men into attending Ole Miss, and getting certain one's eligible? Who has already been chastised by the NCAA before, and now is under investigation again by the NCAA? Who has a history of cutting corners to achieve his objectives all the way back to HS ? Who is so devious that other coaches would tell of him reportedly being called a backstabber by a former employer?

    I may be way off base, but I submit that all the evidence points to, and should by logic, lead back to the only one who has been at Ole Miss 7 of the 11 years in question....

    That one is The Reverend Danny Hugh Freeze, Jr.

    What say you?
    Wow! That is priceless. That's a difficult puzzle you solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacklistedbully View Post
    Copy Michael Adams.
    And compliance@olemiss.edu LOL!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Really Clark? View Post
    No. The Ed Center in Jackson.
    Am I confused or was there a school or center backed by BYU that they used under Oregeron to get players eligible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX View Post
    Am I confused or was there a school or center backed by BYU that they used under Oregeron to get players eligible?
    To my knowledge, Sean Tuohy was the first reb to use BYU online to get Oher's D's and F's at Briarcrest converted to A's. A year or two later the NCAA shut that ploy down.
    Last edited by DancingRabbit; 01-14-2016 at 03:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Really Clark? View Post
    No. The Ed Center in Jackson.
    From which Scholar Powe passed Spanish. Still the most unreal thing I ever saw. Couldn't read, much less pass English, but passed Spanish.

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    "And as Powe's case may illustrate, there is a new problem facing BYU's program. There are few safeguards in place to stop high school students from trying to take advantage of the system.

    In September, The New York Times reported on Michael Oher, a high school star in Memphis who replaced his failing grades with BYU "character education" courses in a practice described in the article as "the great Mormon grade-grab." Unlike Powe, Oher now attends and plays football at Ole Miss."

    The Salt Lake Tribune Archive

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