Dan Mullen

[Bully13]

Dan not playing with as many cards as everybody else is absolutely in his control.

I don't agree. ..I'm not an insider, just thinking about how all this works and I don't think coaches have that much control of their program's network. .could be wrong but I don't think so

[PassInterference]

You'd be wrong. Just look to Ole Miss. Pound for pound, they are doing it better than anybody.

[sleepy dawg]

My perspective is if we can't beat those two we will never challenge for a championship. I don't want to dominate those tow but to at least feel like we have a chance to beat them. Right now we may catch UM next year but we are still 21 points behind Bama, and Dan's nutless play calling against them is why. Why save all that creative play calling we saw yesterday for the bowl game. That would have been way better than Dak up the center's ass 20 times a game.

The only team he hasn't beaten is bama.... If you can't beat the best team in college football, then you're right, you probably aren't going to win the national championship. However, last year it may have very well been possible to win the NC without beating bama had we just beaten OM, which he has done more times than he's lost to them.

[Bully13]

You'd be wrong. Just look to Ole Miss. Pound for pound, they are doing it better than anybody.

Exactly. But their network is not run by freezus. He knows what's going on but not directly involved. Networking is done by cigar boys. Coach gives network the wish list and they go to work. To what extent the network does to get commits is controlled by the network, not the coach. Dan has been playing with a half deck.

[bluelightstar]

The only team he hasn't beaten is bama.... If you can't beat the best team in college football, then you're right, you probably aren't going to win the national championship. However, last year it may have very well been possible to win the NC without beating bama had we just beaten OM, which he has done more times than he's lost to them.

Not trying to knock Dan honestly, but this "4-3 against UM" doesn't say much about the context of the present -- which is 3 of 4 losses, all blowouts.

[Political Hack]

Dan not playing with as many cards as everybody else is absolutely in his control.

He doesn't handle State or SEC compliance issues.

[Quaoarsking]

I think the hate was only there because we showed up completely unprepared for the egg bowl for the second year in a row. Even then, I think it was exacerbated by people being idiots and believing everything pushed out by the two coaching search sites run by brothers with UM ties. If it had come out that he had talked with Miami and was interested in the UGA job (which are the only semi-credible rumors), I'm not sure people would have been that mad. But him being linked to Va Tech, UVA, Maryland, Miami, and UGA to make it sound like he was dying to get out is what pissed people off. It's not really his fault people are dumb enough to believe he was looking to move to a program like Virginia although he could have handled it better. Of course if his agent really did publicly make all that noise just because dan was pissed at the administration, that was a pretty shitastic move and I'd just as soon not renew his contract ever again; but I just have a hard time seeing Mulen being that petty and stupid, much less him being that petty and stupid and his agent not running damage control.

Well, those clowns didn't help, but let's not forget it was the owner of this very message board who whipped our fans up into a tizzy by guaranteeing that Mullen was leaving. All over some RandomBoner over Kyle Whittingham of all people...

[Todd4State]

For me personally I think it's Dan's personnel decisions that hold him back the most. Look at the freshmen that played well yesterday- Green, Bryant had the Sportscenter play of the day, Dear, etc.

That is the MOST frustrating thing to me.

And I'm wondering if we shouldn't have just put Malone at C from the start and let Desper play LG and Clayborn play RG.

There are ways to reward seniority and not compromise production and Dan needs to figure that out.

[confucius say]

For me personally I think it's Dan's personnel decisions that hold him back the most. Look at the freshmen that played well yesterday- Green, Bryant had the Sportscenter play of the day, Dear, etc.

That is the MOST frustrating thing to me.

And I'm wondering if we shouldn't have just put Malone at C from the start and let Desper play LG and Clayborn play RG.

There are ways to reward seniority and not compromise production and Dan needs to figure that out.

Valid point

[ShotgunDawg]

Exactly. But their network is not run by freezus. He knows what's going on but not directly involved. Networking is done by cigar boys. Coach gives network the wish list and they go to work. To what extent the network does to get commits is controlled by the network, not the coach. Dan has been playing with a half deck.

Your wrong. I've heard stories about Freeze recently blowing up booster's phones lately in regards to certain players. Hugh is actually heavily involved with his network and actually appears to micromanage it.

It shocked me as well

[OurState]

The good is he will be coaching Msu next year. I don't have a problem IF he was looking around. Hell JWS was headed to Pitt till their President said no. Saban was headed to Texas, Fisher was headed to Lsu, happens all the time. Why the hate is beyond me. Mullen had the team ready yesterday, as long as we are winning he can keep looking, but that is just me. Not everyone loves Msu like we do. 7 years is a long time know days, Coaches are 1 loss away from being fired. I hope Mullen stays another 7 years but it ain't likely.

I agree with most of this.

What pisses me off is Dan was planning to leave and rubbing our nose in it. Last year he lost the Egg in Oxford and was saying he wouldn't sleep for a year. This year he loses it at home and was very nonchalant. He was winking at us and giving us a watered down version of the obnoxious shit he gives UNM.

Now he is here and stuck with us. He needs to act like he cares.

[ShotgunDawg]

For me personally I think it's Dan's personnel decisions that hold him back the most. Look at the freshmen that played well yesterday- Green, Bryant had the Sportscenter play of the day, Dear, etc.

That is the MOST frustrating thing to me.

And I'm wondering if we shouldn't have just put Malone at C from the start and let Desper play LG and Clayborn play RG.

There are ways to reward seniority and not compromise production and Dan needs to figure that out.

Meh, I think we are a very well coached team. Sure, our coaches make mistakes like everyone else's, but I believe we get a ton out of our talent.

We need better players to raise our ceiling. I think it's much more likely that we find a way to recruit better than it is that we find the super coach that allows us to compete for Atlanta with our current talent level.

We are a 7-9 win program now. Only way we become a 9-11 program is if we get better players.

[engie]

Dan not playing with as many cards as everybody else is absolutely in his control.

Not really. It takes EVERYONE being on the same page to play the game.

How do people think OM's network is so much more effective than the rest of the country if the coaches aren't involved in the marching orders? IMO that's why they are more effective -- and also why they are eventually going to get made an example of IMO...

[confucius say]

Meh, I think we are a very well coached team. Sure, our coaches make mistakes like everyone else's, but I believe we get a ton out of our talent.

We need better players to raise our ceiling. I think it's much more likely that we find a way to recruit better than it is that we find the super coach that allows us to compete for Atlanta with our current talent level.

We are a 7-9 win program now. Only way we become a 9-11 program is if we get better players.

I agree we get a lot out of our talent, I just think we could get more years of it. Dan does play more young guys than he gets credit for, but there are some glaring examples of only getting 1 or 2 years out of really talented players. That said, I'll largely defer to our coaches on playing time bc there are other factors that contribute to playing time about which the masses are ignorant.

[confucius say]

Your wrong. I've heard stories about Freeze recently blowing up booster's phones lately in regards to certain players. Hugh is actually heavily involved with his network and actually appears to micromanage it.

It shocked me as well

Surely he is not stupid enough to contact boosters directly.

[ShotgunDawg]

Surely he is not stupid enough to contact boosters directly.

Yes he is. Stories that I've heard is that he blows up their phones constantly & is at times upset with them & their efforts. It's pathetic. I heard a few stories that shocked me

[ShotgunDawg]

I agree we get a lot out of our talent, I just think we could get more years of it. Dan does play more young guys than he gets credit for, but there are some glaring examples of only getting 1 or 2 years out of really talented players. That said, I'll largely defer to our coaches on playing time bc there are other factors that contribute to playing time about which the masses are ignorant.

I think every coach can do better, but, with our current talent level, the margin for error is too small.

[Coach34]

Well, those clowns didn't help, but let's not forget it was the owner of this very message board who whipped our fans up into a tizzy by guaranteeing that Mullen was leaving. All over some RandomBoner over Kyle Whittingham of all people...

This is bullshit

I stated in the beginning that Mullen was talking to some teams- but I didnt know who. Turns out that is was Georgia and Maryland- with Miami coming in later. After I posted what I heard- I had others come to me and tell me Mullen wants out. And if you look at his actions- he did. None of this can disputed now. He was absolutely talking to those 3 schools.

I was led to believe he was going to be the coach at Maryland- and it came from multiple people. Not sure what happened- but here he stays. He is not leaving us anytime soon because he cant afford the paycut or that he cant get a blueblood job because he struggles to win big games.

[RougeDawg]

Meh, I think we are a very well coached team. Sure, our coaches make mistakes like everyone else's, but I believe we get a ton out of our talent.

We need better players to raise our ceiling. I think it's much more likely that we find a way to recruit better than it is that we find the super coach that allows us to compete for Atlanta with our current talent level.

We are a 7-9 win program now. Only way we become a 9-11 program is if we get better players.

Meh..... What the f*** are you talking about? You constantly harp on recruiting better player but "miss the forest for the trees" on why we aren't taking that next step in recruiting.

Todd hit the nail on the head. Dan since coming to MSU, has played seniority over talent. Only injuries or completely abysmal play forces him to play the younger more talented guys. Peters, Dear, Bryant, CJones, DLee, Green, and the rest of our more talented guys should have played more from snap one of their freshman seasons. Hell We didn't even really use A potential 1st round talent Jones until over halfway into his freshman season. The defensive guys mentioned above only got to see significant PT and starring roles because other lesser talented upperclassmen were injured and Dan had no choice to play them.

This is a two fold win win for us. Not only would our best players contribute, it would also show other 4-5* guys that they can actually play early and often. Bucky sells this shit to the recruits and backs it up by playing them. We sell them working to get to play and then put GD training wheels on our Ferari's and Porche's. If anyone thinks recruits don't take note of how we baby our top talent while others let them have at it, you are kidding yourselves.

If we are to take the next step on the field and in recruiting (which go hand in hand) we are going to have to start letting the best players play (young top talent) to show high schools guys you can play and then start singing better classes. The cycle will build itself but only if Dan Mullen changes his philosophy and doesn't try the f*cking 2-3 start developmental program on guys who are ready to play.

[ShotgunDawg]

He is not leaving us anytime soon because he cant afford the paycut or that he cant get a blueblood job because he struggles to win big games.

Agree. I believe we are in great shape with Dan going forward, unless one of about 7 programs offer him.

With Georgia passing on Mullen, it's clear to me that about the only way Dan can leave MSU without taking a paycut, would be to win BIG, or get fired.

One of the best moves Stricklin has made since being at MSU was to pay Dan 4+ mil a year. It out priced him for all but a handful of programs in the country & those handful of teams expect to win national titles.