Some one explaine to me why Neb fired a 9 win coach?

[raymond21]

There is 40 bowl games, which equals 80 teams. I'm not sure but it's around 120 D1 schools total. If you don't go to a bowl game , you should be fired. I'm all for having a total of 20 bowls, which allows the top 40 to play one additional game. Making a statement that we have been to 6 straight bowls, doesn't really mean anything

[Johnson85]

There is 40 bowl games, which equals 80 teams. I'm not sure but it's around 120 D1 schools total. If you don't go to a bowl game , you should be fired. I'm all for having a total of 20 bowls, which allows the top 40 to play one additional game. Making a statement that we have been to 6 straight bowls, doesn't really mean anything

20 bowls would not result in the top 40 teams going to bowls unless you intend to get rid of bowl tie ins for non-power 5 schools. The tots number of bowls is irrelevant when taking about an sec school at this point. A bowl game means you won at least two sec games and sweeping non conference. Starting next year, a bowl game will mean a minimum of three wins over power five schools and sweeping non power five out of conference games

Getting to a bowl game is no huge accompaniment, but never missing a bow game still means something, as evidenced by the fact that auburn, ark, and um haven't been able to do it.

[Liverpooldawg]

There is 40 bowl games, which equals 80 teams. I'm not sure but it's around 120 D1 schools total. If you don't go to a bowl game , you should be fired. I'm all for having a total of 20 bowls, which allows the top 40 to play one additional game. Making a statement that we have been to 6 straight bowls, doesn't really mean anything

It does mean something because for almost all of our history, certainly our modern history we wouldn't have gone to six straight even under today's bowl set up. Go back and look. What Todd is claiming as a floor now would have been above our ceiling not all that long ago.

[HancockCountyDog]

FYI, I'm hearing that LSU is doing everything they can this recruiting cycle, their coaches know they are on a 1 year deal, and they are going down swinging.

[HSVDawg]

Nebraska will always be able to lay claim to the greatest college football team of all time, the 1995 team. So they have that.

You must have been in a coma when the 2001 Miami Hurricanes were running roughshod over everybody. That team had 38 draft picks, including SEVENTEEN first rounders, and also had a double digit number of future Pro Bowlers including Jeremy Shockey, Jonathan Vilma, Vince Wilfork, Sean Taylor, Frank Gore, Clinton Portis, Willis McGahee, Andre Johnson, Kellen Winslow II and others.

Of course, they used the most notorious recruiting tactics since SMU in the 80's to land those guys. And speaking of programs that will be extinct for the forseeable future, that is another one.

[BulldogBear]

It does mean something because for almost all of our history, certainly our modern history we wouldn't have gone to six straight even under today's bowl set up. Go back and look. What Todd is claiming as a floor now would have been above our ceiling not all that long ago.

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Gator, Music City, Gator, Liberty, Orange, and then finally Belk. The latter one is the only "new" bowl since bowls exploded past the 20-25 total market that should never have been crossed. Even then, the Belk came in as a mid-tier bowl, not G5 vs. G5. Gator, Orange, and Liberty are very old. We have not been going to bowls because there are more bowls. This would have been six straight in the 90s and probably 5 of 6 in the 80s and 4-5 of 6 on the 1970s.

[BulldogBear]

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Gator, Music City, Gator, Liberty, Orange, and then finally Belk. The latter one is the only "new" bowl since bowls exploded past the 20-25 total market that should never have been crossed. Even then, the Belk came in as a mid-tier bowl, not G5 vs. G5. Gator, Orange, and Liberty are very old. We have not been going to bowls because there are more bowls. This would have been six straight in the 90s and probably 5 of 6 in the 80s and 4-5 of 6 on the 1970s.

It is the 5 win abominations and nonpower schools that are going to more bowls because there are more bowls, not MSU. It has very little effect on SEC teams, only the 6-6 might have been affected some years.

[Todd4State]

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Gator, Music City, Gator, Liberty, Orange, and then finally Belk. The latter one is the only "new" bowl since bowls exploded past the 20-25 total market that should never have been crossed. Even then, the Belk came in as a mid-tier bowl, not G5 vs. G5. Gator, Orange, and Liberty are very old. We have not been going to bowls because there are more bowls. This would have been six straight in the 90s and probably 5 of 6 in the 80s and 4-5 of 6 on the 1970s.

We didn't go bowling with 7-4 in 97 and 6-5 in 86. I would guess that Dan would have missed bowling with the 2011 and 2013 teams in the 90's more than likely not to mention again the advent of the 12th game.

[Todd4State]

It does mean something because for almost all of our history, certainly our modern history we wouldn't have gone to six straight even under today's bowl set up. Go back and look. What Todd is claiming as a floor now would have been above our ceiling not all that long ago.

Our history is bad so let's accept average even after getting to number one because our history is bad. Again- mediocre thought process.

[BoomBoom]

Actually it proves you are. See what I was writing above. Maybe you miss the days when we got excited over going to the Liberty Bowl or the Belk Bowl. I sure as heck don't. That we are pissed about ANY bowl says all anyone should need to know about what kind of job Mullen is doing.

It proves the opposite. It only means what you say it does if you take it as a given that our current position is our ceiling. which is of course the view of the poor ol state crowd. if instead you think MSU can be a NC contender, then the current status of our program is huge red flag. if you are not moving forward, then you are falling behind. we're not moving forward. those that are happy where they are will never care that they are falling behind, but those with their eye on the end goal will always strive to continue moving forward. way of the world boyo, you are who you are, just accept it and quit bothering us with your defeatist attitude.

[Taog Redloh]

Yep. Nebraska and Miami are dead. And unlike Miami, Nebraska doesnt have the homegrown talent and can't recruit south of them in TX and OK anymore because there a freaking Big Ten school now. So dumb. They lost 7 games this year and will be lucky to make it to a bowl next year. They beat USM by 8. That's their talent level. Their identity from the 80's and 90's is gone. Kids don't think Nebraska is anything special anymore, but that's mostly because they're largely irrelevant.

Sorry huskers. Y'all have nice fans.

You done bumped yo head, especially regarding Miami.

Granted, they need to figure out their stadium situation, and yes, the whole eastern side of the country recruits south Florida. But they can still get back. I just laugh at ya'lls tunnel vision. How many of you thought South Carolina was now a destination job?

The formula for Nebraska? High level defensive guy (I know nothing about Mike Riley, he may already be this), and institute a run-based spread offense, very similar to ours or maybe Rich Rod's. Maybe even an option. Lock down ALL the instate talent, which really should not be that difficult. I would go to Los Angeles, Atlanta and Miami almost exclusively for skill players, and heavily hit the Kansas JUCOs. Sell the B1G angle. I bet they could find some ancillary guys in the surrounding states, Chicago and Detroit too that would like Lincoln. I wouldn't even mess with Texas.

Miami? I think it gets back to the stadium. They really need a facility that says, 'The U'. Get that, and nothing can hold them back. I think a smaller place like what Tulane just built, could be perfect for them. For big games, they could still play at Sun Life or whatever it is.

[Taog Redloh]

Going to go ahead and throw this out there, regarding Mike Riley:

- Lost on a hail mary fluke to BYU in his first game
- Lost a crazy game to Miami as well, if I remember correctly, OT, after they had a big lead
- Lost 3 other games by a total of 5 points
- Beat a playoff team
- Beat a pretty good Pac-12 team in the bowl
- OOC sked consisted of BYU, Miami, USA and USM - not too shabby

Yeah they still went 5-7, so he's still got a ton to prove. But, the results are what they are. I didn't think Riley had the best resume out there but I think you can tell that they aren't all that bad off. Interesting to see what he can do when it becomes 'his' team in the next few years.

[Taog Redloh]

We didn't go bowling with 7-4 in 97 and 6-5 in 86. I would guess that Dan would have missed bowling with the 2011 and 2013 teams in the 90's more than likely not to mention again the advent of the 12th game.

Todd's general attitude about Mullen and 'mediocrity' is pretty terrible, but this is a valid point that I've tried to mention on here plenty of times. In the 90s, without the 12 game (which is the FCS game), we were 5-6 in 2011 and 2013.

That being said, to me, bowls should not be handed out based on record, but more on some sort of BCS/committee/Power ranking that factors in SOS. In that case, we probably don't make a bowl in 2011, but we probably DO in 2009 and 2013 (not sure the ACTUAL SOS of the years, but 2009 and 2013 seemed harder compared to 2011).

[msstate7]

Going to go ahead and throw this out there, regarding Mike Riley:

- Lost on a hail mary fluke to BYU in his first game
- Lost a crazy game to Miami as well, if I remember correctly, OT, after they had a big lead
- Lost 3 other games by a total of 5 points
- Beat a playoff team
- Beat a pretty good Pac-12 team in the bowl
- OOC sked consisted of BYU, Miami, USA and USM - not too shabby

Yeah they still went 5-7, so he's still got a ton to prove. But, the results are what they are. I didn't think Riley had the best resume out there but I think you can tell that they aren't all that bad off. Interesting to see what he can do when it becomes 'his' team in the next few years.

They beat Michigan state on a fluke so that balances out byu

[Taog Redloh]

They beat Michigan state on a fluke so that balances out byu

Sure it can. I'm not defending him per se. Just put the facts out there and judge how you will. This sort of debate is endless, because for every point you make for him, someone else can make against him. Rinse, repeat.

[DudyDawg]

Our past means as much as Ole Miss's football past- not much. We have more potential to be a power than ever before.

Sorry to break it to you, but we will never be a national power.

[Taog Redloh]

You must have been in a coma when the 2001 Miami Hurricanes were running roughshod over everybody. That team had 38 draft picks, including SEVENTEEN first rounders, and also had a double digit number of future Pro Bowlers including Jeremy Shockey, Jonathan Vilma, Vince Wilfork, Sean Taylor, Frank Gore, Clinton Portis, Willis McGahee, Andre Johnson, Kellen Winslow II and others.

Of course, they used the most notorious recruiting tactics since SMU in the 80's to land those guys. And speaking of programs that will be extinct for the forseeable future, that is another one.

I agree on SMU, they are in conference realignment hell. That's the difference between them and Nebraska/Miami.

I take 1995 Nebraska over 2001 Miami any day of the week. They simply did not play a close game. I could care less about draft picks, that has nothing to do with any of it. I don't care how good they were on paper, I care about how they played.

[Taog Redloh]

Sorry to break it to you, but we will never be a national power.

^^ Yep. Unless we get incredibly lucky (like land Cam Newton, which propels us a tad bit higher), what we're doing right now is about our ceiling. It's never absolute in sports, but pretty close. Consistent winning seasons, plus an 'up' year every 5 or so years - yep that's us. Same for Ole Miss, though they may have a slightly higher ceiling right now because they actually have a good coach that will stay there as long as they will have him, and is passionate about his school, which is a rarity. That's why I wasn't happy when they hired Freeze, when most everybody else thought it was an average hire.

[Blackout]

Even when The U played at the old Orange Bowl many of their games were in front of small crowds. Stadium isn't the issue.

[Taog Redloh]

Even when The U played at the old Orange Bowl many of their games were in front of small crowds. Stadium isn't the issue.

Location too, bruh