Today is one of the worst days in MSU football history

[JohnnyQuid]

You are talking crazy todd. You are saying Scott should fire Dan for this season and then looking around. That would be the WORST move in MSU History if it happened. It would be our Cutcliffe... Bower.... but worse.

that's the real nightmare scenario.

[cheewgumm]

I just wish he'd recruit better.

Our OL has to be good. 10 sacks in one game?!?!?? WTH!!!

Actually I get your point, but he's gonna be here as long as he wants wining 8 games even if we don't beat many( any) good teams. Good news is we have to schedule 1 P5 team OOC now so maybe that ends the guaranteed 4-0. We will have to improve ir lose.

We as a fanbase red to put more pressure on coaches to recruit better. Don t give me that development crap after watching this OL this year. Garbage.

[Beaver]

Unless we play a very marginal bowl team, I would be surprised if we won.

Have fun rooting against your own team to push your agenda.

[Really Clark?]

Well I don't know who those assistant coaches that got jobs over Mullen are. Richt? No. Mullen wasn't in on the Maryland job despite what some fan poster on the Terps site said. We have been told time and time again on here that you can't take a sitting SEC head coach to another SEC school in football. It still hasn't happened since Tubbs and Smart is who Georgia wanted as their first choice. They didn't interview anyone else.

Financially we are better on revenue and profit since Byrne left. Don't understand why you think otherwise on that either.

I know you are frustrated, we all do. Hopefully this gets it out of your system.

[Todd4State]

Please explain to me how we were better then.

We had a football coach that actually wanted to be here and had a team that actually played with relentless effort for starters.

[Todd4State]

Have fun rooting against your own team to push your agenda.

I won't pull against MSU no matter how bad the situation is. The most I'll do is not show up or show up less.

But you have fun while we rebuild in a couple of years. Unfortunately we'll all be in the same boat together.

[ScoobaDawg]

Fine...Todd.
We have a head coach. Thats not changing likely.

What are your demands for him to change to be better in your opinion....

[chef dixon]

I am so tired of this "doesn't want to be here" line. This is what women do. They draw conclusions about their man without first hand evidence. "You went and watched the game and had beers with your friends instead of hang out with me and watch netflix, you don't love me anymore!" Half our fanbase are being women.

[Todd4State]

You are talking crazy todd. You are saying Scott should fire Dan for this season and then looking around. That would be the WORST move in MSU History if it happened. It would be our Cutcliffe... Bower.... but worse.

It's not just the looking around- I can actually tolerate that to a large degree. It's more about how the team performs in big games- from poor game plans to over-conservative play calling, how Dan doesn't seem to care anymore, the baffling personnel decisions, being allowed to keep his friends around even though they are holding out team and program back big time in the form of Hevesy and Sallach.

Those are things that = dissention that usually in turn = decline.

I understand the how and why Dan shouldn't be fired based on the on the field record- but I don't see things getting better which eventually WILL lead to him getting fired. Which is why I said it would be best for all if he left now and not said that he should be fired. But I'm at the point now where I just don't think he ever will leave on his own which means that the only way out is to fire him.

[CadaverDawg]

Dear God. What the **** has happened to you, Todd?

I keep hoping you're going to say someone hacked your account for the last 8-12 months.

[preachermatt83]

Dan dang well better do these things...

1- Beat OM
2- Recruit Better
3- beat OM
4- Go to bowl
5- Beat OM

And for Goodness sakes fire Hevesy

[Todd4State]

Fine...Todd.
We have a head coach. Thats not changing likely.

What are your demands for him to change to be better in your opinion....

1. He needs to fire Hevesy at a minimum. This would actually fix a lot of our problems I believe assuming we make a good hire.
2. Place more emphasis on the Egg Bowl like he used to- and by that I mean bring back the Countdown Clock, bring back the Egg Bowl uniforms and stop treating it like it's just another game.
3. He needs to win a game over an 9-10 win SEC team at least once every two years.
4. Utilize our personnel more creatively and logically. More Malik Dear for example- and not just limit him to "slot WR". He can play both. Have someone that is a FB. If we're having trouble blocking- bring in a FB or a TE to help- stop going 4-5 wide and asking our five that are struggling to keep blocking without any help. Stop running Dak up the middle on third and seven and then act shocked that it didn't work.
5. Play our younger players more earlier in the season to try to get them ready for the end of the season. No reason why Peters shouldn't have played at least 15 snaps against USM and then gone ahead from there.
6. Find players that play with more energy and are not soft. And play them rather than choke their emotion out of them. We were outhit several times this year- and that is unacceptable. And I believe that is a reflection of the head coach.

[Really Clark?]

It's not just the looking around- I can actually tolerate that to a large degree. It's more about how the team performs in big games- from poor game plans to over-conservative play calling, how Dan doesn't seem to care anymore, the baffling personnel decisions, being allowed to keep his friends around even though they are holding out team and program back big time in the form of Hevesy and Sallach.

Those are things that = dissention that usually in turn = decline.

I understand the how and why Dan shouldn't be fired based on the on the field record- but I don't see things getting better which eventually WILL lead to him getting fired. Which is why I said it would be best for all if he left now and not said that he should be fired. But I'm at the point now where I just don't think he ever will leave on his own which means that the only way out is to fire him.

Well if the looking around is not that big of a deal, then the rest of that is a projection just like many were doing in 2013. Just copy and paste from back then. And don't give me the "if you can't see it" line. It was used then as well. And there projections were wrong. Will we have a decline? Yes. Next year? Possibility. But time and time again this coach has proved the pundits wrong on the body of our season. Nearly every single year we finish better than we are projected. I want the ceiling to increase. I want to upset more teams. Our floor is higher right now. But I also recognize it was a 10 year build. But projecting a demise in the team and a collapse can't be judged yet.

[smootness]

We had a football coach that actually wanted to be here and had a team that actually played with relentless effort for starters.

:facepalm:

Sorry, I thought you actually had a legit reason to say that. I didn't realize this sudden hatred for Mullen has clouded literally everything for you.

[Todd4State]

Dear God. What the **** has happened to you, Todd?

I keep hoping you're going to say someone hacked your account for the last 8-12 months.

Whether you want to admit it or not- I have been right for the most part the last 8-12 months. I didn't get a chance to respond to one of your posts since the thread got locked- but I said Dixon should play only because we didn't have a FB- something Dan apparently has forgotten about since Hanrahan graduated. You can't call me out about a guy that left the team in the offseason. You tried to call me out about Jenkins which I thought was odd given he ended up being one of our better OT's- and eventually started at the end of the year. And as far as Gray- he looked great on the outside against Sun Belt/C-USA competition- but like I said before his height became an issue in SEC play. He needs to be in the slot, and I'm not sure why you think I'm wrong since Dan refuses to put him there so that we can definitively see. He can still be a lethal deep threat in the slot- and probably even moreso since he has an even better chance of outrunning a safety or a LB.

Right about Coman, right about Lee although Holloway did well when actually used properly and not running up the gut, right about Zach Jackson being our worst player on defense and saying that Gray should start over him, right about Bryant over Market,.

Now I wasn't right about everything- but I did pretty well for the most part.

[Todd4State]

Well if the looking around is not that big of a deal, then the rest of that is a projection just like many were doing in 2013. Just copy and paste from back then. And don't give me the "if you can't see it" line. It was used then as well. And there projections were wrong. Will we have a decline? Yes. Next year? Possibility. But time and time again this coach has proved the pundits wrong on the body of our season. Nearly every single year we finish better than we are projected. I want the ceiling to increase. I want to upset more teams. Our floor is higher right now. But I also recognize it was a 10 year build. But projecting a demise in the team and a collapse can't be judged yet.

Well, he's proved Finebaum wrong. Great. Most of us thought that they were wrong too and idiots- and they were. Our standard for how our season is measured shouldn't be defined by the media who mixes us up with Ole Miss at least 10% of the time.

And as far as 2013- that doesn't mean anything. It's pretty much the same argument as the people in 2002 that thought that Jackie could turn it around. IMO it's more difficult to keep turning things around again and again.

[SDDawg]

@Todd: Hevesy is the one who knocks, bro. He is not going anywhere.

[Todd4State]

:facepalm:

Sorry, I thought you actually had a legit reason to say that. I didn't realize this sudden hatred for Mullen has clouded literally everything for you.

I don't hate Mullen. I just think it's time for a change. And I would prefer not to rebuild or tarnish what Dan has done in the process if possible.

[Todd4State]

@Todd: Hevesy is the one who knocks, bro. He is not going anywhere.

I know. I don't expect it. But he needs to leave.

[smootness]

Well, he's proved Finebaum wrong. Great. Most of us thought that they were wrong too and idiots- and they were. Our standard for how our season is measured shouldn't be defined by the media who mixes us up with Ole Miss at least 10% of the time.

And as far as 2013- that doesn't mean anything. It's pretty much the same argument as the people in 2002 that thought that Jackie could turn it around. IMO it's more difficult to keep turning things around again and again.

There's nothing to turn around, dude. There will always be ups and downs, but the program overall has been trending up since Mullen got here. He hasn't had to turn it around since then. Sherrill completely lost the program. Two entirely different scenarios.

And to just briefly mention Gray, the guy looked pretty great every time he was given an opportunity. And most of those came on the outside. His height isn't what you usually see in guys on the outside because most can't handle it. Some can, Antonio Brown being the most obvious. I think Gray can as well.