WOW, Mizzou's football team quits

[smootness]

Speaking more so of the trend on college campuses as a whole but the "demand that the President publically denounce his white privledge" is struggle session 101

The very reason the struggle sessions were so horrible is that they were led by those in power/authority. It was clear tyranny.

There is no comparison between a struggle session led by the body in power, with the ability to coerce, punish, and even kill, and an attempt by controlled body without power or authority to highlight abuses and produce change. It's laughable to draw a connection to Communist China here.

It's the very difference between a society like Mao's and a society like ours. In Mao's China, those not in power are controlled by those in power. In the US, those not in power are a check on those in power.

You're equating the people of communist China with the University of Missouri president, and Mao with the UM students. Think about that.

[Blackout]

Missouri absolutely has that right. But if public opinion sides with the players, that would likely be a very bad move.

Anyone relying solely on authority, in this society, will eventually find themselves out of the very position that gave them authority. At the very least, the fact that this issue has mushroomed into the current situation proves that the UM president has been a poor leader. A leader who has lost the confidence of the people he is leading is probably going to be forced out eventually...either that, or he must change. Otherwise the organization will eventually crumble.

What should the President have done differently. His actions are never addressed! Anyone with a damn grievance these days is given an automatic presumption of being right. Because this has been allowed to take place anyone who ever feels uncomfortable can shriek and shrill and be accommodated. We're now voting on whether or not boys can pee in the girls bathroom. Enough PC! Facts and common sense matter, not the loudest mob. If he loses his job it should be based on merit alone.... He can't control the whacked out fringes nor can anyone else and saying well look at the situation he obviously isn't fit to lead is not justice.

I'm glad he's calling their bluff. Its about time someone stood up and shouted get the **** off my lawn to the insanity that has become the modern fascist college student

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/...ofessor-afraid

[smootness]

The very essence of many of the comments that I have read is that the athletes are not free to decide. The scholarship, housing and food makes them University property. The right to exercise civil disobedience is fundamental to our democracy. To deny this fact says that the minority should have no voice. It's not like they are looting in the streets of Columbia. It appears that many would prefer that the football players resort to such actions. At least this would allow the usual adjectives to be attached to them.

I agree with you. I'm not sure if you're trying to disagree with me or not, but yes, I'm with you.

Blackout used a system in which those being governed had no power over, or checks on, those governing as rationale to basically support the notion that those being governed should have no power over, or checks on, those governing. I'm not sure he realizes it, but that is what he's arguing.

[Coach007]

Why are people pretending it has been decided that because of the football team, the president will, in fact, resign or be fired?

The football team has said they are boycotting until the president is gone. They are perfectly free to decide not to play and to say whatever they want. We have no idea how this will play out. So let's let it before we jump to conclusions.

That would be because of the money football brings in. The words from the athletic director put that department at odds with this president.

In the end, the money will win.... Right or wrong... It will win. Then we take another step in the wrong direction.

[Irondawg]

There are a couple of thinks going on here. The first is either that Missouri has some of the most thin skinned students in the world or that there is A LOT of stuff at play here that isn't being reported. And if it's the latter it's even more surprising because the group asking for his ouster I would think would have a manifesto ready for the media on his failings. Just really odd at the lack of information.

The other thing I'd ask is what difference will a new president make? A school president can't keep stupid people from doing stupid stuff. If the new president gives a nice speech and demands some sensitivity poster hung up around campus and offers a diversity forum does it really do anything?

Now if you tell me the school has failed to administer any discipline to students found guilty of behaving badly then it's a different narrative.

[Blackout]

The very reason the struggle sessions were so horrible is that they were led by those in power/authority. It was clear tyranny.

There is no comparison between a struggle session led by the body in power, with the ability to coerce, punish, and even kill, and an attempt by controlled body without power or authority to highlight abuses and produce change. It's laughable to draw a connection to Communist China here.

It's the very difference between a society like Mao's and a society like ours. In Mao's China, those not in power are controlled by those in power. In the US, those not in power are a check on those in power.

You're equating the people of communist China with the University of Missouri president, and Mao with the UM students. Think about that.

Mao wasn't always the one in power and his Red Guard began on a college campus. You are seeing the check on the outrage mob. A much needed check.

[smootness]

What should the President have done differently. His actions are never addressed! Anyone with a damn grievance these days is given an automatic presumption of being right. Because this has been allowed to take place anyone who ever feels uncomfortable can shriek and shrill and be accommodated. We're now voting on whether or not boys can pee in the girls bathroom. Enough PC! Facts and common sense matter, not the loudest mob. If he loses his job it should be based on merit alone.... He can't control the whacked out fringes nor can anyone else and saying well look at the situation he obviously isn't fit to lead is not justice.

I'm glad he's calling their bluff. Its about time someone stood up and shouted get the **** off my lawn to the insanity that has become the modern fascist college student

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/...ofessor-afraid

You're arguing that a college student expressing their opinion in an attempt to produce change is a fascist. It's literally the exact opposite of fascism.

I'm not saying the players or students are right. I don't know enough to say that. But I also don't know enough to say that they're wrong. The very fact that this has ballooned is one strike against the president. He hasn't handled the situation well at all. He has basically ignored the opinions of some of his students, and that is a large reason why it is now where it is.

All I'm saying is that in this society, the ability to freely express an opinion and gather others who agree in an attempt to produce change is one of the foundations of our society. I can't understand why you are so dead set against it, or why you believe the students here are somehow exhibiting characteristics of fascism or communism.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

So the answer is a public flogging of the university president who really seems to have done nothing wrong ?

[Coach007]

I am not sure, but this isn't just white players at Mzzou. It's the entire team and coaching staff. There is significant support in the faculty as well. It's uncomfortable for sure, and I have some sympathy for the President, but he has let this situation fester and has failed to instill confidence in the University community. I admire people willing to take this kind of stand for their beliefs.

I have not seen where the faculty is behind his removal. Can you give details?

[smootness]

That would be because of the money football brings in. The words from the athletic director put that department at odds with this president.

In the end, the money will win.... Right or wrong... It will win. Then we take another step in the wrong direction.

Yes, the system whereby college football brings in millions upon millions and funds universities was definitely created by these students.**

Perhaps this situation will shed light on the risks associated with the kind of money found in college football and will produce important changes on that issue.

It's absurd, though, to watch colleges and college presidents make millions off a system they've created and then blame football players for it when they realize the power it gives them and try to use it to advance a cause they believe in. The players here are not the ones making decisions here for money.

[PendingTransaction]

I agree with you. I'm not sure if you're trying to disagree with me or not, but yes, I'm with you.

Blackout used a system in which those being governed had no power over, or checks on, those governing as rationale to basically support the notion that those being governed should have no power over, or checks on, those governing. I'm not sure he realizes it, but that is what he's arguing.

I'm totally with you. I don't know all the details surrounding this situation. However, common sense leads me to believe that there is more to it than a few black students being butt hurt over some single dick using the "n" word. I can't believe such pettiness would compel a unversity AD, head football coach, and 85 student athletes to take such a bold stance. But since we are in the south, I guess we will contribute it to the ungratefulness of the negroes and white guilt.

[Blackout]

So the answer is a public flogging of the university president who really seems to have done nothing wrong ?

That's just students freely expressing themselves**

[AlmostPositive]

Mao murdered 60 million people and was an icon of many liberals and academics. Ditto for Stalin, minus 20 million or so. Pardon me if I'm unimpressed by the political Left's moral compass..

[smootness]

So the answer is a public flogging of the university president who really seems to have done nothing wrong ?

A public flogging?

Good grief. The sensitive ones here seem to be the ones who believe the students shouldn't be able to do this. He is a university president in charge of thousands of students. There have been issues on that campus recently, and he hasn't responded to any of them. Some students tried to get his attention, and he ignored them. Then, and only then, did this become public. That's what can happen when you don't lead effectively.

But please explain to me, again, what kind of authority these students have, or what they can make the president do. If you consider any criticism of a leader to constitute 'public flogging,' then yikes.

[Coach007]

Yes, the system whereby college football brings in millions upon millions and funds universities was definitely created by these students.**

Perhaps this situation will shed light on the risks associated with the kind of money found in college football and will produce important changes on that issue.

It's absurd, though, to watch colleges and college presidents make millions off a system they've created and then blame football players for it when they realize the power it gives them and try to use it to advance a cause they believe in. The players here are not the ones making decisions here for money.

That wasn't my point. Students with no real life experience will force a change and effect a mans life over what? Pinkel and the Ad are using this situation for what? Because they don't want a divided team?

I do believe the president was acting through a process. I do believe the media LOVES some good racial stories for ratings. And I don't believe this president will survive due to it.

[smootness]

Mao murdered 60 million people and was an icon of many liberals and academics. Ditto for Stalin, minus 20 million or so. Pardon me if I'm unimpressed by the political Left's moral compass..

I agree. Mao and Stalin were terrible, and the systems that allowed them to do what they did should be avoided at all costs. But it's the people suggesting these students shouldn't be able to voice criticisms of leadership who are actually advocating for a system in line with those that produced Mao and Stalin.

I have no idea why you're trying to make this a left/right issue. It's not.

[BeardoMSU]

liberals and academics

I identify as these two, but not with the Mao part...I guess 2 out of 3, ain't bad.

[smootness]

That wasn't my point. Students with no real life experience will force a change and effect a mans life over what? Pinkel and the Ad are using this situation for what? Because they don't want a divided team?

I do believe the president was acting through a process. I do believe the media LOVES some good racial stories for ratings. And I don't believe this president will survive due to it.

His job is to lead the university and its students. He clearly hasn't done that effectively. If his life is affected by this, it's at least partially on him for it getting to this point. You act like one random incident happened and everyone immediately said, 'Hey, our president should be removed.'

Are you saying students without life experience shouldn't have rights? Or that they should be more easily controlled.

Perhaps Pinkel actually agrees with the football players that there is an issue?

[AlmostPositive]

A public flogging?

.. he hasn't responded to any of them..

This is false.

[Taog Redloh]

I agree. Mao and Stalin were terrible, and the systems that allowed them to do what they did should be avoided at all costs. But it's the people suggesting these students shouldn't be able to voice criticisms of leadership who are actually advocating for a system in line with those that produced Mao and Stalin.

I have no idea why you're trying to make this a left/right issue. It's not.

These 'students' are dysfunctional, unruly and want nothing more than to create chaos. And they reason they do that, is because they think they will advance themselves through the chaos.

They need to be stopped. Protests are fine, but stopping parades (disturbing the peace) and the like need to be handled swiftly. They are NOT being discriminated against by this president. It's freaking unbelievable that reasonable humans would give these morons the time of day.