-
Jones & Adams are your #2 DTs per Paul Jones
Looks real bad for Quay and Nick.
Unless this is some kind of speed DL strategy for OSU.
-

Originally Posted by
PassInterference
Looks real bad for Quay and Nick.
Unless this is some kind of speed DL strategy for OSU.
Could be a little of both. I think they are just putting Jones there so we can have Preston Smith, Denico, and Jones in on the same play for 3rd and long type situations. Its actually a decent strategy because throwing over the middle with a 6'6" guy jumping to block it may cause some interceptions - just hope they don't cut him.
I wouldn't expect Chris Jones to play DT on 1st or 2nd down.
-
Wonder how much 3-4 we'll see
-

Originally Posted by
PassInterference
Looks real bad for Quay and Nick.
Unless this is some kind of speed DL strategy for OSU.
nothing wrong with a little 3-3-5 on 3rd and long with
Jones, Autry, and P Smith up front..
Everyone just pump the brakes on Quay and Nick.. lets just see what happens..
-
Quay and Nick will be fine. Everyone calm down about them.
-
I'm probably grasping at straws, but I think it's possible that Collins wouldn't play Quay or Nick a lot against OSU regardless for fear of them getting stuck on the field against the hurry-up given their conditioning issues.
-
Member
This comes down to guys who we can have get caught on the field for several plays in a row. I can just imagine Collins and Turner looking at game film from last season and seeing guys struggling to get in a stance against the hurry up teams and not wanting to have flashbacks. Those guys will be run stoppers in SEC games. In the game today you better not let your depth chart get in the way of logic!
-
I told yall this was going to happen with Jones. He's the equivalent to Refroe being a 5 tool player. He is a traditional 4-3 DE, a 3 tech DT, or a stand up 3-4 OLB. I'm telling you this guy is incredible!
-
This gives us ALOT more versatility up front...
I'm guessing this allows us to show a ton of different looks with the same personnel groupings without taking anyone off the field...
I'm looking for alot of the snaps against this hurry-up spread to be(hybrids in bold):
Autry, Smith, Jones
Wells, McKinney, Skinner
Cox, Love, Calhoun, Hughes, Whitley
Could also be Autry, PJ, Chris up front on these... or Autry, PJ, Preston with Jones kicking to OLB....
ETA: Does everyone understand JUST how much better our team speed is in these scenarios in comparison to last year?
Jones compared to Cherry?
PJ just as fast as Boyd
Preston Smith compared to Eulls?
Matt Wells compared to Skinner?
Skinner compared to Cam Lawrence?
The only position we don't get notably "faster" is at DB -- and I fully expect this Nickoe to be 1.5 steps quicker than the one we saw last year. Nevermind that Cox and Love both have world-class speed...
The hurry up spread won't be a problem this year -- at least not like it was last year.
Last edited by engie; 08-28-2013 at 07:52 AM.
-

Originally Posted by
engie
This gives us ALOT more versatility up front...
I'm guessing this allows us to show a ton of different looks with the same personnel groupings without taking anyone off the field...
I'm looking for alot of the snaps against this hurry-up spread to be(hybrids in bold):
Autry, Smith, Jones
Wells, McKinney, Skinner
Cox, Love, Calhoun, Hughes, Whitley
Could also be Autry, PJ, Chris up front on these... or Autry, PJ, Preston with Jones kicking to OLB....
ETA: Does everyone understand JUST how much better our team speed is in these scenarios in comparison to last year?
Jones way the f faster than Cherry
PJ just as fast as Boyd
Preston Smith compared to Eulls? LOL
Matt Wells compared to Skinner?
Skinner compared to Cam Lawrence?
The only position we don't get notably "faster" is at DB -- and I fully expect this Nickoe to be 1.5 steps quicker than the one we saw last year. Nevermind that Cox and Love both have world-class speed...
That's a whole lot of MAYHEM
-

Originally Posted by
engie
This gives us ALOT more versatility up front...
I'm guessing this allows us to show a ton of different looks with the same personnel groupings without taking anyone off the field...
I'm looking for alot of the snaps against this hurry-up spread to be(hybrids in bold):
Autry, Smith, Jones
Wells, McKinney, Skinner
Cox, Love, Calhoun, Hughes, Whitley
Could also be Autry, PJ, Chris up front on these... or Autry, PJ, Preston with Jones kicking to OLB....
ETA: Does everyone understand JUST how much better our team speed is in these scenarios in comparison to last year?
Jones compared to Cherry?
PJ just as fast as Boyd
Preston Smith compared to Eulls?
Matt Wells compared to Skinner?
Skinner compared to Cam Lawrence?
The only position we don't get notably "faster" is at DB -- and I fully expect this Nickoe to be 1.5 steps quicker than the one we saw last year. Nevermind that Cox and Love both have world-class speed...
The hurry up spread won't be a problem this year -- at least not like it was last year.
I agree except we are faster at CB maybe not as talented
-

Originally Posted by
mic
I agree except we are faster at CB maybe not as talented
Hard to say we got faster when Darius Slay had the fastest 40 at the combine among all DBs. We may have gotten faster in Banks' slot, but not faster at the other 2 with Slay and Jamerson vs Jamerson and Cox...
-

Originally Posted by
engie
Hard to say we got faster when Darius Slay had the fastest 40 at the combine among all DBs. We may have gotten faster in Banks' slot, but not faster at the other 2 with Slay and Jamerson vs Jamerson and Cox...
It's hard to agree with this. Just because of scheme alone, we will be noticably faster across the board on defense. Our speed at corner should be a lot more apparent this year because they will play more aggressively out there.
If they all lined up and ran forties, I don't disagree with your statement. But in game situations, with the defensive scheme will will be running, our DBs will be much faster than last year.
-
So, we should expect more than 15 interceptions from the DB position?
I get what you are saying and agree -- that scheme will better allow them to showcase speed this year. But they didn't actually get faster. Thus my counterpoint that speed manifests itself in many different ways(int's)...even when playing soft coverage.
And the downside of what you are saying is that we will get beat deep way more often this year... so the DBs are going to look a lot better on the casual 5-15 yard outs that killed us last year -- but worse at the same time on the bombs. Which is a change that I'm actually happy with...
-
Banks could make a hell of a break on the ball. He might not have the top end speed, but he is lightening quick and makes great adjustments with the ball in the air.
-

Originally Posted by
engie
So, we should expect more than 15 interceptions from the DB position?
I get what you are saying and agree -- that scheme will better allow them to showcase speed this year. But they didn't actually get faster. Thus my counterpoint that speed manifests itself in many different ways(int's)...even when playing soft coverage.
And the downside of what you are saying is that we will get beat deep way more often this year... so the DBs are going to look a lot better on the casual 5-15 yard outs that killed us last year -- but worse at the same time on the bombs. Which is a change that I'm actually happy with...
Speed doesn't translate into interceptions. We were clearly special at DB last year - both of those guys are going to be starting for their teams on Sundays this year. I just think we are going to be a lot more aggressive on the edges, which will benefit us significantly, especially against these air raid offenses we are playing. Last year, mostly due to scheme, we looked two steps slow against TAMU and Ole Miss (and even Troy if you recall). I don't believe that will be the case this year.
-

Originally Posted by
engie
Hard to say we got faster when Darius Slay had the fastest 40 at the combine among all DBs. We may have gotten faster in Banks' slot, but not faster at the other 2 with Slay and Jamerson vs Jamerson and Cox...
I agree that we probably didn't get faster, but I don't think we lost speed, either. Cox has elite speed himself.
-
I know on personal eval alone Jamerson is faster than Slay.
-

Originally Posted by
Bubb Rubb
Speed doesn't translate into interceptions. We were clearly special at DB last year - both of those guys are going to be starting for their teams on Sundays this year. I just think we are going to be a lot more aggressive on the edges, which will benefit us significantly, especially against these air raid offenses we are playing. Last year, mostly due to scheme, we looked two steps slow against TAMU and Ole Miss (and even Troy if you recall). I don't believe that will be the case this year.
Slow in the trenches and at linebacker(which I already showed position by position) -- thus allowing our DBs to be put in no-win bad circumstances... We still weren't slow at DB, outside of Banks' injury after MTSU, when I did think he was a step to step.5 slow the rest of the year...
-

Originally Posted by
smootness
I agree that we probably didn't get faster, but I don't think we lost speed, either. Cox has elite speed himself.
I never said we did lose speed -- I certainly don't think that. Just don't think we actually got any faster at DB outside of Nickoe vs himself.
Posting Permissions
- You may not post new threads
- You may not post replies
- You may not post attachments
- You may not edit your posts
-
Forum Rules
Disclaimer: Elitedawgs is a privately owned and operated forum that is managed by alumni of Mississippi State University. This website is in no way affiliated with the Mississippi State University, The Southeastern Conference (SEC) or the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA). The views and opinions expressed herein are strictly those of the post author and may not reflect the views of other members of this forum or elitedawgs.com. The interactive nature of the elitedawgs.com forums makes it impossible for elitedawgs.com to assume responsibility for any of the content posted at this site. Ideas, thoughts, suggestion, comments, opinions, advice and observations made by participants at elitedawgs.com are not endorsed by elitedawgs.com
Elitedawgs: A Mississippi State Fan Forum, Mississippi State Football, Mississippi State Basketball, Mississippi State Baseball, Mississippi State Athletics. Mississippi State message board.