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    Quote Originally Posted by engie View Post
    You should take your own advice.





    Lawrence had approximately the same production that year that Zach Jackson had this year. But since "starter and backup" has never meant anything in the Mullen era -- I'd love for you to explain Wright, White, and Mitchell's tackle numbers from that year under Diaz.
    Something that jumped out to me in those 2015 stats is Kivon Coman's production. For all the haterade being passed on ED about him, he finished ahead of both Hughes and Cox in tackles last season. I'll grant he had a bunch on STs, same as Turtle, but it's further proof the kid can play. Can't wait to see the progress he's made this season. Going to be a lot of surprised ED members this fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maroonmania View Post
    It shouldn't matter, relatively speaking, Bryant is roughly .1 seconds faster than anyone else on the team in the 40. That's pretty significant.
    Also at safety which needs speed to recover on deep passes. Hopefully it helps him cover a lot of ground back there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg View Post
    Something that jumped out to me in those 2015 stats is Kivon Coman's production. For all the haterade being passed on ED about him, he finished ahead of both Hughes and Cox in tackles last season. I'll grant he had a bunch on STs, same as Turtle, but it's further proof the kid can play. Can't wait to see the progress he's made this season. Going to be a lot of surprised ED members this fall.
    Coman is going to be good. I just hope we aren't sharing a bunch of his reps with the "veterans" because they are veterans. Market's situation concerns me. He just doesn't have any ability to lose speed and still play for us. Hopefully, we don't. Because that's a very exploitable weakness. If Coman is off the field, I want to see Peters or Bryant in that spot... JMO...

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    Quote Originally Posted by engie View Post
    Coman is going to be good. I just hope we aren't sharing a bunch of his reps with the "veterans" because they are veterans. Market's situation concerns me. He just doesn't have any ability to lose speed and still play for us. Hopefully, we don't. Because that's a very exploitable weakness. If Coman is off the field, I want to see Peters or Bryant in that spot... JMO...
    Who makes the in-game substitution call there, Manny or Hughes? I don't see Manny hesitating to play the younger guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingRabbit View Post
    Who makes the in-game substitution call there, Manny or Hughes? I don't see Manny hesitating to play the younger guys.
    Or Dan? I don't know. This year will go a long way toward giving us answers because Diaz really only played about 15 deep on defense last time he was here -- but we also had no depth at the time. We played Nickoe early at safety too. And Diaz scheme is the same base fundamental as Collins, so the adjustment shouldn't be too huge one wouldn't think. I dunno if we can keep Bryant off the field. He has something we lack at a position we lack it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg View Post
    Something that jumped out to me in those 2015 stats is Kivon Coman's production. For all the haterade being passed on ED about him, he finished ahead of both Hughes and Cox in tackles last season.
    Run support from a safety is great, but that's not what anybody was complaining about last year with our safeties. Not saying Coman didn't get a bad rap (I don't know if he did or not), but the fact that he got plenty of tackles doesn't really respond to the complaints people had about pass coverage. Other than the UM game, I don't remember any particular game where our tackling cost us. Maybe the Bama game on Sims' second half scrambles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by engie View Post
    Or Dan? I don't know. This year will go a long way toward giving us answers because Diaz really only played about 15 deep on defense last time he was here -- but we also had no depth at the time. We played Nickoe early at safety too. And Diaz scheme is the same base fundamental as Collins, so the adjustment shouldn't be too huge one wouldn't think. I dunno if we can keep Bryant off the field. He has something we lack at a position we lack it...
    Surely Dan isn't that involved in-game for defense. HC and offensive play calling is a plate full.

    Probably just game planning and game review to get across what he wants.

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    The DC is control of substitutions but usually give that position coach leeway to pull/replace players if need be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by engie View Post
    Coman is going to be good. I just hope we aren't sharing a bunch of his reps with the "veterans" because they are veterans. Market's situation concerns me. He just doesn't have any ability to lose speed and still play for us. Hopefully, we don't. Because that's a very exploitable weakness. If Coman is off the field, I want to see Peters or Bryant in that spot... JMO...
    That was the biggest weakness last year was not having at least 1 safety with elite speed. If you have one safety who doesn't have the overall speed like Market, the other safety needs to be able to cover a lot of ground in a hurry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe View Post
    That was the biggest weakness last year was not having at least 1 safety with elite speed. If you have one safety who doesn't have the overall speed like Market, the other safety needs to be able to cover a lot of ground in a hurry.
    Cox had elite speed, it was just negated by the two steps he took in the wrong direction when the ball was snapped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe View Post
    That was the biggest weakness last year was not having at least 1 safety with elite speed. If you have one safety who doesn't have the overall speed like Market, the other safety needs to be able to cover a lot of ground in a hurry.
    Cox was the fastest safety to come thru the combine since at least 2008...
    But I get what you are saying. In the sec and with our track record, we shouldn't have to compromise athleticism and smarts. We should be able to have both IMO. High hopes for the young guys and that includes Coman

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSYCHO(thesis)DEFENSE View Post
    Cox had elite speed, it was just negated by the two steps he took in the wrong direction when the ball was snapped.
    And on the flip side, Market never really had to catch up because he was always in the right position. If there was a breakdown, Market couldn't catch up to a guy like Cox could, but that's about all you're missing with Market. Or was before his injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by engie View Post
    Or Dan? I don't know. This year will go a long way toward giving us answers because Diaz really only played about 15 deep on defense last time he was here -- but we also had no depth at the time. We played Nickoe early at safety too. And Diaz scheme is the same base fundamental as Collins, so the adjustment shouldn't be too huge one wouldn't think. I dunno if we can keep Bryant off the field. He has something we lack at a position we lack it...
    I've been projecting Coman and Bryant as the starters for a while. Market's my Dawg, but I'm afraid the Achilles' injury spells doom for him. We all saw how much speed both Nickoe and Hughes lost after theirs. Then you gotta factor in how late in the year Market's occurred. To be blunt, I think we should sit him this season and try to get him a medshirt for '16. I just can't see him being ready to play any significant role before October.
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    What about Tolando Cleveland? Does anyone think he could start at S?

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    Quote Originally Posted by engie View Post
    Cox was the fastest safety to come thru the combine since at least 2008...
    But I get what you are saying. In the sec and with our track record, we shouldn't have to compromise athleticism and smarts. We should be able to have both IMO. High hopes for the young guys and that includes Coman
    It has become obvious that the biggest deficiency Cox had was between his ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bigdawg View Post
    What about Tolando Cleveland? Does anyone think he could start at S?
    Maybe could -- but I don't see the point. By the time he got acclimated, Peters and Bryant would be ready to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg View Post
    To be blunt, I think we should sit him this season and try to get him a medshirt for '16. I just can't see him being ready to play any significant role before October.
    Unless he's a super fast healer I would agree with this. After seeing the after effects on Whitley and Hughes from this type injury, neither of which had it happen as late in the season as Market did, I just don't see how we can expect Market to help us much this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maroonmania View Post
    It has become obvious that the biggest deficiency Cox had was between his ears.
    Prettymuch always been obvious since he showed up IMO. Always hoped he would get it together...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maroonmania View Post
    Unless he's a super fast healer I would agree with this. After seeing the after effects on Whitley and Hughes from this type injury, neither of which had it happen as late in the season as Market did, I just don't see how we can expect Market to help us much this year.
    Add in the fact that Market wasn't very fast to begin with.

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    Obviously CDM and Collins didn't see eye to eye..
    If Dan had wanted to End the 1a / 1b stuff he would have.. But it's kind of hard to bitch and blow something up when your ranked #1 and 9-0 going into the Bama game ..
    I'm sure it will be much different this year with Manny, and our defense will be much improved..
    Manny will put guys in the best situations .. This was a huge upgrade Manny > Collins

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