Andrew Benintendi raises avg 100 PT's and gore from 1 to 20 HR.. Why??

[Jacksondevildog]

5-star, I hope y'all have a better season next year and we are all pulling for y'all to get better as a team.

[CadaverDawg]

Haha, if this thread doesn't teach some of our local "know-it-all's" to gain a little humility and to quit stating everything as fact, nothing will. Lesson: There's always someone out there that knows more than you, so STFU with your smugness. Haha

[Jacksondevildog]

I'm not being smug. When a player tells me something, I take that as a pretty good source. Whether that is positive or negative info, its a solid source. With MSU Baseball, we have fans that think that the coach and players are untouchable when it comes to philosophy, approach, effort, or performance. If it's football or hoops, they are fair game, players and coaches. It's bullshit. I am a Cohen fan and I truly believe that this season was just a mixture of poor leadership that began in the fall, along with lesser talent and a barren bullpen. Cohen will recruit us out of this hole. Hopefully next year is successful or we will have to be making a change at the top and I don't want that to happen.

[CadaverDawg]

I'm not being smug. When a player tells me something, I take that as a pretty good source. Whether that is positive or negative info, its a solid source. With MSU Baseball, we have fans that think that the coach and players are untouchable when it comes to philosophy, approach, effort, or performance. If it's football or hoops, they are fair game, players and coaches. It's bullshit. I am a Cohen fan and I truly believe that this season was just a mixture of poor leadership that began in the fall, along with lesser talent and a barren bullpen. Cohen will recruit us out of this hole. Hopefully next year is successful or we will have to be making a change at the top and I don't want that to happen.

Man, I wasn't talking about you. I think I just replied to the last message. Def not directed at you, ha

[Jacksondevildog]

No worries Cadaver. Just a lot of bitching in this thread, and I'm as guilty as any of them. Just relaying info as I've heard it first hand and that's why Coach 34 created this board in the first place.

[CadaverDawg]

No worries Cadaver. Just a lot of bitching in this thread, and I'm as guilty as any of them. Just relaying info as I've heard it first hand and that's why Coach 34 created this board in the first place.

Yep, rumors and hearsay are great...I just wish some would quit acting like their hearsay is so much better and smarter than others hearsay, ha. Nobody is in all meetings and practices, so unless someone in this thread is Cohen or Polk, the treating people like they're stupid should stop. I have no dog in this fight, I just think it's funny and a good dose of reality to some of the self proclaimed geniuses. High quality entertainment, ha

[Jacksondevildog]

Agree with you. Some people don't like to hear the truth or what could be the truth. Some on this board could walk in and find their wife with someone else and they would deny it or claim that Polk did the same back in the day (even though he never got married).

[shoeless joe]

Haha, if this thread doesn't teach some of our local "know-it-all's" to gain a little humility and to quit stating everything as fact, nothing will. Lesson: There's always someone out there that knows more than you, so STFU with your smugness. Haha

I typically only post what I know first hand or got from someone I consider reliable...which isn't much. But I will defend engie on this one. I know nothin about his coach Y assertion but I experienced first hand a coach explaining, showing, and then I participated in the drill. This was a MSU coach at the time under Polk. So take from that what you will...but those are FACTS.

I generally agree with,and respect, your posts as well as homedawgs...but I think your off base on this one.

[Homedawg]

I typically only post what I know first hand or got from someone I consider reliable...which isn't much. But I will defend engie on this one. I know nothin about his coach Y assertion but I experienced first hand a coach explaining, showing, and then I participated in the drill. This was a MSU coach at the time under Polk. So take from that what you will...but those are FACTS.

I generally agree with,and respect, your posts as well as homedawgs...but I think your off base on this one.

Yeah, so because you were there for a month and I was there 5 years, you know more, makes good sense. Real good.

[Smitty]

Yeah Cad the smug is falling hard in this one. Shoeless tries to come to Engines rescue and gets smacked down too.

[Homedawg]

Yeah Cad the smug is falling hard in this one. Shoeless tries to come to Engines rescue and gets smacked down too.

I really don't know what you are talking about. Engine, doesn't need a rescue, he played the game and has a clue, you On the other hand.....are clueless

[shoeless joe]

Yeah, so because you were there for a month and I was there 5 years, you know more, makes good sense. Real good.

You obviously took offense to me posting my personal experience. Not sure why, no where have I been disrespectful to any one in this discussion, because I only know what I know...can't speak for others.

[Homedawg]

You obviously took offense to me posting my personal experience. Not sure why, no where have I been disrespectful to any one in this discussion, because I only know what I know...can't speak for others.

I took offense? Well maybe. Considering, I played for coach Polk while coach y was there.... Side w engie if you choose. Whatever.

[engie]

I'm not claiming to be omniscient about coach Polk, however, I was saying he didn't do it at state during any year coach y was there. And I went to many practices in Polk II and they did absolutely nothing different than the previous time he was there. And I mean nothing......now with all that said, I have no doubt that Y did what you said. None. Also, playing for him and being a good player I have no doubt you know the game- you've shown that. And on this convo we can agree that using the middle of the field is a good thing, just pull the inside stuff.

I did not say Polk taught that "while Wy was at MSU". I would have no way to know that, considering I was less than 10 years old at the time and learning the game beside the Pope crew. I don't know what Polk or even Wy for that matter taught through the early/mid 90s. I didn't even claim that Wy started teaching that way at HC when he first got there. He taught that way when I was there on the team there through 2002 -- and it came directly from Coach Polk during his retirement tour in our IPF at HC. Remember it like it was yesterday. I was standing right there when he taught it. Saw it with my own eyes. Was reinforced by Raffo and McMahon on the camp tour. I took it to heart more than most because I was 14, 140 lbs, and a LONG way from the field at that point and looking for anything to help me get there -- and none of us knew better than to worship Polk at that point in our careers.

Claiming he "didn't teach that way" is still claiming omniscience. He did. I didn't say he taught you that way. But he did teach me that way. I'll be more than happy to let it go as soon as you do. And I'm happy to just call a truce and move on.

[engie]

Haha, if this thread doesn't teach some of our local "know-it-all's" to gain a little humility and to quit stating everything as fact, nothing will. Lesson: There's always someone out there that knows more than you, so STFU with your smugness. Haha

I'm confused by who this lesson is meant to cover.

[Homedawg]

I did not say Polk taught that "while Wy was at MSU". I would have no way to know that, considering I was less than 10 years old at the time and learning the game beside the Pope crew. I don't know what Polk or even Wy for that matter taught through the early/mid 90s. I didn't even claim that Wy started teaching that way at HC when he first got there. He taught that way when I was there on the team there through 2002 -- and it came directly from Coach Polk during his retirement tour in our IPF at HC. Remember it like it was yesterday. I was standing right there when he taught it. Saw it with my own eyes. Was reinforced by Raffo and McMahon on the camp tour. I took it to heart more than most because I was 14, 140 lbs, and a LONG way from the field at that point and looking for anything to help me get there -- and none of us knew better than to worship Polk at that point in our careers.

Claiming he "didn't teach that way" is still claiming omniscience. He did. I didn't say he taught you that way. But he did teach me that way. I'll be more than happy to let it go as soon as you do. And I'm happy to just call a truce and move on.

I'm glad you want a "truce" I never needed one. However , you seem to need the last word. You DID call me out earlier in this thread claiming I was wrong that coach Polk did have a point system on a double L screen. I said no he didn't. You said again, he did. Only after I said I admitted I played under him did you back off. So while I respect your knowledge on baseball, your truce is only after you were called out.

[CadaverDawg]

I'm confused by who this lesson is meant to cover.

Color me shocked.

[Smitty]

Color me shocked.

Guess the Preachermatt episode didn't stick

[I seen it dawg]

Smitty this is a thread you should probably stay out of. Although it's a lot of bitching it's being done by people who actually understand the game at a high level. Back to serf network fella.

[engie]

I'm glad you want a "truce" I never needed one. However , you seem to need the last word. You DID call me out earlier in this thread claiming I was wrong that coach Polk did have a point system on a double L screen. I said no he didn't. You said again, he did. Only after I said I admitted I played under him did you back off. So while I respect your knowledge on baseball, your truce is only after you were called out.

That's a outright lie. You were the one that called me out saying that he never had a system that he, in fact, did have and taught to a bunch of people. Hell, there is at least one other in this thread that not only agreed with me -- but said the same thing. I wasn't the one that called you out. It was the other way around. And, no, I'm not backing off. He did have a system that he literally taught to me and my entire team in either 1998 or 1999. Would you like names and phone numbers to cross reference the info? I've offered multiple times. But of course you don't -- because that would prove you wrong. Quit being a hypocrite. If you don't "need" the last word -- quit fighting for it. Or simply make the calls.

I don't know what I'm talking about because you were with Polk for 5 years in the late 80s/early 90s and there is no way he changed a thing in the decade that followed. You know this because you went back to practice in his second tenure** Therefore, there is no way he could have possibly taught anything in any different manner whatsoever in the decade that followed**