Braves

[trob115]

I don't post a lot, but I do enjoy reading about the braves and MLB as a whole. I am excited about the rebuild, but I'm still not sold on Fredi as manager.

[BoomBoom]

I wouldn't be lookin to trade him. Now, if an unbelievable offer came in that'd be different, but to me that's why I wouldn't trade him...I don't think he would fetch enough talent in return to justify. While trying to rebuild and playing young guys that are trying to find a team and individual baseball identity you need veterans to show the way. I think he's in that category and he's producing.

delusional thinking abounds in this thread. everyone who is not signed for 2017 is available if some other team actually wants them.

[msstate7]

I keep thinking about trading veterans, but the best trade piece we have could be Peterson or peraza. I just don't see where we'll be able to play both. Ruiz or the other Peterson are 3b most likely. Peraza is almost ready if he isn't already.


Not sure if there's any actual talk, but I've read brave fans saying peraza for Aaron judge of Yankees. I do know the Yankees scouted peraza a few weeks back

[shoeless joe]

delusional thinking abounds in this thread. everyone who is not signed for 2017 is available if some other team actually wants them.

Delusional? Because I think a solid veteran is more valuable as a part of the club, in production AND in the clubhouse,than the prospects he would fetch in return? And notice that I said I wouldnt be looking to trade him but with a top notch offer I'd make the move.

And for that matter go back and read every post I've ever made...and then try to come back with that "delusional" horse shit.

[msstate7]

Simmons...
.292 avg .359 obp 9 bb 5 k's 15 rbi's

He's cut down on his swing and the results are awesome. If he develops into a .300 hitter, will he be one of the best players in baseball? His defense is already elite. He will be a 15-20 hr guy imo. That contract extension is looking very good by wren

[BoomBoom]

Delusional? Because I think a solid veteran is more valuable as a part of the club, in production AND in the clubhouse,than the prospects he would fetch in return? And notice that I said I wouldnt be looking to trade him but with a top notch offer I'd make the move.

And for that matter go back and read every post I've ever made...and then try to come back with that "delusional" horse shit.

Yes, delusional. The club has made clear they are not playing for this year. A decent prospect or less will hell yes be taken for a vet on a 1 year deal that is overachieving a good bit, as much as I love KJ.

[MetEdDawg]

Simmons...
.292 avg .359 obp 9 bb 5 walks 15 rbi's

He's cut down on his swing and the results are awesome. If he develops into a .300 hitter, will he be one of the best players in baseball? His defense is already elite. He will be a 15-20 hr guy imo. That contract extension is looking very good by wren

He's already the best defender in the game. After I frist saw him come up I thought he had the potential to be a solid 2 hole hitter after a few years of grooming and swing adjustments. Looks like that's exactly what has happened. If he brings his average up to .300 and becomes a 20 HR 90 RBI guy, he would be to me one of the 20 best non pitchers in the game.

[Dawg61]

Simmons...
.292 avg .359 obp 9 bb 5 walks 15 rbi's

He's cut down on his swing and the results are awesome. If he develops into a .300 hitter, will he be one of the best players in baseball? His defense is already elite. He will be a 15-20 hr guy imo. That contract extension is looking very good by wren

Simmons is already the best shortstop and leads in defensive runs saved in all of MLB. He's a star to those paying attention. I think Brandon Crawford for the Giants is the 2nd best SS defensively behind Simmons. Simmons range is insane as is his arm. I personally think Crawford and Panik are the best double play duo in the NL though.

[msstate7]

Simmons is already the best shortstop and leads in defensive runs saved in all of MLB. He's a star to those paying attention. I think Brandon Crawford for the Giants is the 2nd best SS defensively behind Simmons. Simmons range is insane as is his arm. I personally think Crawford and Panik are the best double play duo in the NL though.

Love Crawford.

You sure they're better than Desmond uggla? Haha

[shoeless joe]

Yes, delusional. The club has made clear they are not playing for this year. A decent prospect or less will hell yes be taken for a vet on a 1 year deal that is overachieving a good bit, as much as I love KJ.

Well now I understand the problem...you lack reading comprehension skills. I said that I would trade him for a top notch offer, I just don't think one comes in. And no where have I stated we need to keep him because he will help us contend this year. In fact I have maintained all season that a .500 record is the high end for this team. But a solid veteran is a huge positive when trying to rebuild.

And if you doubt the importance of veteran leadership go back and look at the braves of '89 and '90 leading into that '91 season...which is what the braves front office has repeatedly said they are trying to duplicate and get back to. Lonnie smith and Charlie leibrandt come to mind immediately as veteran guys brought in during the rebuild/build-up to help lead the younger players.

[smootness]

I keep thinking about trading veterans, but the best trade piece we have could be Peterson or peraza. I just don't see where we'll be able to play both. Ruiz or the other Peterson are 3b most likely. Peraza is almost ready if he isn't already.


Not sure if there's any actual talk, but I've read brave fans saying peraza for Aaron judge of Yankees. I do know the Yankees scouted peraza a few weeks back

You don't trade anybody just to clear room until you actually need to clear room. So most of it will work out. Peterson has been moved to LF, and it's unlikely Peterson, Peraza, and Ruiz all develop into definite major league regulars.

I would not trade Peraza, though, and certainly not for Judge. I still see Peterson as more of a super utility guy than an everyday star. I would plan on Peraza being my everyday 2B and Peterson playing 3B until someone else is ready, then move him into that Prado role where he plays a lot all over the diamond.

[smootness]

Simmons...
.292 avg .359 obp 9 bb 5 k's 15 rbi's

He's cut down on his swing and the results are awesome. If he develops into a .300 hitter, will he be one of the best players in baseball? His defense is already elite. He will be a 15-20 hr guy imo. That contract extension is looking very good by wren

Yes. If he is a league average hitter, he is the best SS in baseball. If he hits like he is right now, he's as valuable as anybody in baseball who isn't Mike Trout.

[msstate7]

Joc pederson's last 7 hits are hr's. That kid's gonna be awesome

[msstate7]

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@DOBrienAJC
For all the doom-and-gloom, fact is #Braves (14-14) have better record than 16 teams inc RedSox, Nats, O's, Pirates, BJays, Angels, A's, M's

#Braves 3rd in NL in runs (125); 4th in OPS (.722), OBP (.326) & walks (93); 5th in HR (24) & slugging% (.396). & have NL-low 175 K's.

[BoomBoom]

Well now I understand the problem...you lack reading comprehension skills. I said that I would trade him for a top notch offer, I just don't think one comes in. And no where have I stated we need to keep him because he will help us contend this year. In fact I have maintained all season that a .500 record is the high end for this team. But a solid veteran is a huge positive when trying to rebuild.

And if you doubt the importance of veteran leadership go back and look at the braves of '89 and '90 leading into that '91 season...which is what the braves front office has repeatedly said they are trying to duplicate and get back to. Lonnie smith and Charlie leibrandt come to mind immediately as veteran guys brought in during the rebuild/build-up to help lead the younger players.

The problem is not on my end. You said you would only trade him for a "top notch offer". I take that to mean an A or B prospect. It is delusional to not realize the club would trade him for a C prospect. Especially after Peraza is called up, cause CJ amd Callaspo are signed long terms on deals no one wants, EYJ is the backup CF, so that basically leaves KJ as the odd man out. As far as veteran presents, the team has other vets.

I dont think anyone would give a C prospect for him now, but someone probably would if he kept it up for another month. And the club would jump right on that offer.

Also, how is someone that is "too important to the team" on a one year deal not about playing for this year?

[Dawg61]

Joc pederson's last 7 hits are hr's. That kid's gonna be awesome

He's upto 9 HR on the year which is tied for 2nd in NL. Little worried he's getting homer happy though. His teammate Alex Guerrero hit another one today giving him 6 in only 38 abs. Dodgers also have Cory Seager in the minors that's absolutely killing it. Dodgers are going to be good to great for a long time.

[shoeless joe]

I dont think anyone would give a C prospect for him now, but someone probably would if he kept it up for another month.

I do agree with this portion of your post.

KJ was signed to provide positive veteran clubhouse leadership. He was only signed for a year because the team didn't know what they were gonna get production wise. When he got hot towards the end of the spring he made the team. So don't act like production isn't important and the team isn't trying to win on a nightly basis...they are. But, like you have said, they have an eye on '17.

I would imagine any one of the veterans signed this year are open for a trade if the rite pieces came back in return. Rebuilding doesn't mean trading old guys for young guys just for the same of trading them to get younger. Trading any one productive for a AAAA player is not what this team is about.

Also keep in mind that KJ lives in Atlanta and wants to play there so the braves have a little leeway with the one year deal. If he produces they could easily re sign him for next year if that's the direction they want to go.

This is not about KJ with me, it's about what the braves are trying to accomplish and how they're going about it.

[smootness]

Pederson is going to be very good. The question of just how good will come down to whether or not he can get the Ks under control.

Some, like Stanton, can still be very productive while striking out a ton. Others can't, and they generally start out well and then gradually get worse.

It's the same reservation I have with guys like Kris Bryant and Javier Baez for Chicago.

[BoomBoom]

I do agree with this portion of your post.

KJ was signed to provide positive veteran clubhouse leadership. He was only signed for a year because the team didn't know what they were gonna get production wise. When he got hot towards the end of the spring he made the team. So don't act like production isn't important and the team isn't trying to win on a nightly basis...they are. But, like you have said, they have an eye on '17.

I would imagine any one of the veterans signed this year are open for a trade if the rite pieces came back in return. Rebuilding doesn't mean trading old guys for young guys just for the same of trading them to get younger. Trading any one productive for a AAAA player is not what this team is about.

Also keep in mind that KJ lives in Atlanta and wants to play there so the braves have a little leeway with the one year deal. If he produces they could easily re sign him for next year if that's the direction they want to go.

This is not about KJ with me, it's about what the braves are trying to accomplish and how they're going about it.

i agree about a AAAA player. i expect them to trade KJ and a couple others for C prospect bullpen arms. stockpile some bullpen arms for '17. any position player they would get probably would be a AAAA player, yes.

[dawgs]

Pederson is going to be very good. The question of just how good will come down to whether or not he can get the Ks under control.

Some, like Stanton, can still be very productive while striking out a ton. Others can't, and they generally start out well and then gradually get worse.

It's the same reservation I have with guys like Kris Bryant and Javier Baez for Chicago.

Pederson's BB rates have been impressive though. Up there with Harper and Santana and Holliday (and Bryant). Crazy for 2 rookies to have that kinda eye. Gives hope that in time the K rates will go down.