Mark Schlabach leaves MSU out of pre-season top 25

[ShotgunDawg]

Here is another one.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...tate/21517063/

Yet, on the same day there are 2 preseason top 25 polls without MSU, Vegas has made MSU 25/1 to win the 2015 National Championship

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 12m12 minutes ago
Next year’s title odds: OhioSt 6/1 TCU 15/2 Bama 10/1 Aub, Ore 14/1 FSU, LSU, MichSt, Bay 16/1 ND, USC 20/1, MissSt OU 25/1 via @BovadaLV

BTW, Ole Miss is 33/1 by Vegas, but their ranked 9 & 11 in these rankings and we aren't ranked.

MSU has a clear perception problem with media

[blacklistedbully]

I'm thinking we may be held back in rankings, even when we win, due to the way we have finished in each of the 2 years we've started hot, vaulted into the upper-echelon, then tanked beginning with Bama.

In order for us to get into the Top 4, we had to set a friggin' record with our rapid rise. Will we get the same rise by winning next year, or will, "the SEC be down" and there be an expectation of a fold?

[Jacksondevildog]

If Prescott returns, you bring back the most experienced QB in the SEC and a team that finished in the top 11 in the AP poll. They will bring back nice pieces to have a good season, yet they are nowhere on the radar of people's preseason poll. Ole Miss has an unknown in Kelly and offensive line issues and are preseason top 10 in some blogger's polls. It absolutely makes no sense.

[ShotgunDawg]

I'm thinking we may be held back in rankings, even when we win, due to the way we have finished in each of the 2 years we've started hot, vaulted into the upper-echelon, then tanked beginning with Bama.

In order for us to get into the Top 4, we had to set a friggin' record with our rapid rise. Will we get the same rise by winning next year, or will, "the SEC be down" and there be an expectation of a fold?

Ole Miss was blown off the field in two of their final 3 games and have a tougher schedule next year. Why are they trusted?

[ShotgunDawg]

And another:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-foo...ranking-011215

[blacklistedbully]

Ole Miss was blown off the field in two of their final 3 games and have a tougher schedule next year. Why are they trusted?

Because the beat us in their next-to-last game, and because they have always garnered too much respect from the media. Is it because they are that good at propaganda, or that it's a case of what I call, "buying habits"? We've seen tie & again people buying a certain brand, often in the face of first-hand knowledge of another product that is as good or better. This is especially true when they are spending other people's money, so don't have to concern themselves with practical budgets, etc.

[ShotgunDawg]

Because the beat us in their next-to-last game, and because they have always garnered too much respect from the media. Is it because they are that good at propaganda, or that it's a case of what I call, "buying habits"? We've seen tie & again people buying a certain brand, often in the face of first-hand knowledge of another product that is as good or better. This is especially true when they are spending other people's money, so don't have to concern themselves with practical budgets, etc.

I agree. It just doesn't make a ton of sense with them. Vegas obviously likes us better.

I don't want to make this about Ole Miss because it really isn't. There is no excuse for not being ranked by these guys. Fox even has NC State ranked and not MSU. That's embarrassing.

[PMDawg]

That is not even remotely close to his worst case scenario.

thank you. geez....

[HSVDawg]

That is not even remotely close to his worst case scenario.

Ok, other than Mariota, Hundley, and Winston, who else is getting picked ahead of him this year?

[engie]

Ok, other than Mariota, Hundley, and Winston, who else is getting picked ahead of him this year?

You said it was his worst case scenario in the previous post. In this question, you basically turn it into his best case scenario admitting the other 3 are clearly ahead. Hardly the same thing. You win in the NFL by throwing the ball first. Dak was somewhere between the 15th and 30th best passer in college football this year. People think he can be better than that -- and I agree -- but that's what he is right now.

[HSVDawg]

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[maroonmania]

Because the beat us in their next-to-last game, and because they have always garnered too much respect from the media. Is it because they are that good at propaganda, or that it's a case of what I call, "buying habits"? We've seen tie & again people buying a certain brand, often in the face of first-hand knowledge of another product that is as good or better. This is especially true when they are spending other people's money, so don't have to concern themselves with practical budgets, etc.

Another reason is you've got a lot of these media hacks (like Barrett Sallee) that are enamored with recruiting rankings. If you aren't pulling in hot prospects that they know about then, to them, there is no way you will be any good or continue to be good. I've already seen Sallee list us as one of his top candidates in the SEC to regress next year and when asked on BSR why, he simply stated we don't recruit well enough. By the way, recruiting prowess was the reason he said he didn't include OM to regress, nevermind the fact that they currently have nothing proven at QB.

[HSVDawg]

You said it was his worst case scenario in the previous post. In this question, you basically turn it into his best case scenario admitting the other 3 are clearly ahead. Hardly the same thing. You win in the NFL by throwing the ball first. Dak was somewhere between the 15th and 30th best passer in college football this year. People think he can be better than that -- and I agree -- but that's what he is right now.

I don't disagree with that, but I do think he can pull even with at least Hundley at the combine in terms of draft stock, and who knows what could happen with Winston and how teams will evaluate him based on the off the field stuff. My point was, if Mariota returns to school, Dak declares, AND Hundley and Winston are drafted ahead of Dak, he still very likely goes in the top 3 rounds based on what we know now. There are too many teams in the NFL with QB issues for there not to be at least 3 QB's taken in the first 3 rounds. Thats why I asked who else you think would go ahead of him.

[engie]

I don't disagree with that, but I do think he can pull even with at least Hundley at the combine in terms of draft stock, and who knows what could happen with Winston and how teams will evaluate him based on the off the field stuff. My point was, if Mariota returns to school AND Hundley and Winston are drafted ahead of him, he still very likely goes in the top 3 rounds based on what we know now. There are too many teams in the NFL with QB issues for there not to be at least 3 QB's taken in the first 3 rounds. Thats why I asked who else you think would go ahead of him.

I think there's as many as 10-12 guys that have potential to go ahead of him. Obviously, not all of them would. I'm saying that could. Hence why "probably second or third round" isn't even close to a worst case scenario. The most likely scenario and worst case scenario are different things...

Dak by all accounts I've heard is a not a great practice player. That's what allowed Russell to hang on to the starting job longer than any of us would have preferred. Excellent leader -- but he needs the bright lights to perform at a high level. I don't see his stock going up in a combine setting where leadership and scrambling is neutralized and they are going to test accuracy above all else. Guys like Sean Mannion dominate in those scenarios -- and get drafted WAY higher than their college production in many cases would imply they should go.

[smootness]

The mantra is we lost too many "starters" to be any good next year- and Mullen doesn't recruit well enough to overcome it. I laughed reading that shit on Bafoom.

They are too stupid to realize that Jones, Redmond, Ross, etc weren't listed as starters but were the best players at their position.

The funniest thing about that line of thinking is that if we don't recruit well enough to overcome our personnel losses this year, then we certainly don't recruit well enough to go 10-2 in the SEC and be #1 in the country for 5 weeks.

We are continuing to recruit better every year. So regardless of our recruiting rankings, the incoming guys for the past 2-3 years are better than the guys who are leaving this year's team according to those same rankings.

[smootness]

Ole Miss was blown off the field in two of their final 3 games and have a tougher schedule next year. Why are they trusted?

Most of these early preseason polls come down simply to, 'What was your record and how many starters are returning?' Ole Miss has a large number of starters returning, so regardless of who those guys are that are leaving, they will be ranked highly preseason.

Because we lose a comparatively large number of starters (I count 5 on offense and up to 8 on defense), they won't rank us as high. We can sit here and say, 'well, PJ Jones and Kaleb Eulls weren't really starters any more than Chris Jones, Nick James, and Nelson Adams, Jamerson Love being replaced is an upgrade, our safeties didn't play well anyway, etc.' but the media will just look at pure numbers.