I gotta strong hunch it's gonna be Orgeron

[bulldawg28]

So naturally when kiffin fired his dad, O got promoted right?

Nevermind that his mentor is basically the founder of the very defense our fanbase has come to hate so badly....

Kiffin ran cover 2 We were a man defense.

[Todd4State]

Let's think logically here. I'm pretty sure that if we hire Orgeron, we are going to let Turner go and then hire a LB coach.

We haven't hired anybody yet- so there's no reason to let Turner go, and there's no reason to tell him that he will be gone at this point. What happens if we told Turner that we were going to hire Orgeron and then Coach O for some reason goes to Nebraska?

Now, I'm sure Turner has heard rumors and probably suspects that he is about to be let go, but if you ask him to his face like Paul or Rosebowl or whoever asked him if he is going to be back, as long as he has a functioning brain, he kind of has to say yes. Because if he says no, then Dan is going to expect a resignation one way or the other- and if we don't hire Coach O, then Turner would have pretty much hung himself at MSU.

And we need Turner for the bowl game.

[CadaverDawg]

Todd gets it. We're not just going to throw O in there as DC and LB coach. Mullen isn't dumb. And even if we did...we could do much worse. Everybody chill, hiring O as DC is nowhere NEAR as terrible and dramatic as some of you act....but it's not as sure fire home run as others think. The truth lies in the middle, and we likely will have other hires that come with O if we do hire him. Mullen will put him in position to succeed, and give him the help he needs.

[engie]

Kiffin ran cover 2 We were a man defense.

Say what?

[engie]

Exactly Todd.

And I'm great with that. Which I why I feel like there has to be more than meets the eye....

[Political Hack]

anyone who has a problem with this, yar yar yar.

The defense will play lights out for this guy. His players love him. I'll take that.

[Really Clark?]

I'm so pumped about Coach O. Please let this happen. O called a lot of the Defense at Ole Miss and at USC. He will bring aggressiveness back to our D. If this happens give Mullen credit for not being worried about having another strong personality on staff. Also, Mullen's weakness is recruiting. He would be addressing that by bringing on the best recruiter in the country. We should be able to get anyone we want out of Louisiana that LSU doesn't sign.

He did not call that much at USC and the DL calls he made were under someone else's system. Monte then Pendergast made the calls. That's been discussed before. How much scheming he did at UM I'm not certain on, but I do know that defense got significantly worse each year even with NFL talent.

[Sacrifice]

Damn I love Coach O, I just wish he had more on his resume than HC/DL/RC. No doubt he was damn good at 2 of the 3. I'm still holding out for Shannon..

[MetEdDawg]

Todd gets it. We're not just going to throw O in there as DC and LB coach. Mullen isn't dumb. And even if we did...we could do much worse. Everybody chill, hiring O as DC is nowhere NEAR as terrible and dramatic as some of you act....but it's not as sure fire home run as others think. The truth lies in the middle, and we likely will have other hires that come with O if we do hire him. Mullen will put him in position to succeed, and give him the help he needs.

This is what people like me and Engie are trying to say. I don't think he would be a bad DC as long as he is in control of the DL. Would I prefer him as DC to a few others? No. I think Clark/Durkin/Shannon are better hires for the DC spot. But if Orgeron is our DC, Turner is let go, and we bring in an LB coach, I'm 100% ok with that and think we can be very successful there. But in order to do this, we HAVE to be willing to put up the money to do it.

That's the other part of this is. I think Mullen is not signing his contract because he is negotiating the money necessary to bring in the people he wants for us to be successful. It's going to take money for us to elevate ourselves and Mullen has known that from day 1. This to me is the unknown piece of the puzzle. Are we willing to take a big leap and pay a DC one million? Are we willing to bump assistant pay up in the 300-400K range? Mullen is going to fight for that because it's another piece of our image we are trying to rebrand that we are a destination, not a stepping stone. The Collins move has magnified that fact even moreso.

[I seen it dawg]

The heat will stay on until he pulls the plug on Ray, regardless of football. And please don't hijack this thread, hoops trolls.

Then don't bring up Ray and there won't be a hijack.

[War Machine Dawg]

Then don't bring up Ray and there won't be a hijack.

Way to be a jerk. There was all of 1 reply before you decided to bring it up again TWO PAGES LATER.

[Political Hack]

Ricky Ray for DC.***

There's only 1 other OM coach ever that I can think of that I'd ever want on our staff, and he's not leaving Duke.

[Jack Lambert]

Womack (Ole Miss DC, I don't know how to spell his naem) sux as a coach but his defense is good because of the talent level. Coach O will get that kind of talent.

[Political Hack]

Womack (Ole Miss DC, I don't know how to spell his naem) sux as a coach but his defense is good because of the talent level. Coach O will get that kind of talent.

he also won't be afraid to put his top 11 on the field regardless of class. Sr's won't play ahead of JR's and Sophomores just because they're a year older.

[I seen it dawg]

Way to be a jerk. There was all of 1 reply before you decided to bring it up again TWO PAGES LATER.

Yeah I should have just let it go....but why bring it up in the first place? And then reply to my reply? But I should have just let it go and not tempted you...

[CadaverDawg]

Rick Ray runs a version of "Football on Hardwood", or at least the injuries lead me to believe that.

[engie]

Womack (Ole Miss DC, I don't know how to spell his naem) sux as a coach but his defense is good because of the talent level. Coach O will get that kind of talent.

Womack has 25 years as a defensive coordinator all over major college football. Nothing at all like Orgeron. Wommack is FAR more comparable to Joe Lee Dunn than to Orgeron. Elite schemer -- not a recruiter. And let's not pretend his first couple of defenses there had elite talent. He started a bunch of Nutt freshmen and knocked our dicks in the dirt his first year on the job...

[Jack Lambert]

Womack has 25 years as a defensive coordinator all over major college football. Nothing at all like Orgeron. Wommack is FAR more comparable to Joe Lee Dunn than to Orgeron. Elite schemer -- not a recruiter. And let's not pretend his first couple of defenses there had elite talent. He started a bunch of Nutt freshmen and knocked our dicks in the dirt his first year on the job...

I guess that's why no one comes for him to coach for them.

[HancockCountyDog]

Womack has 25 years as a defensive coordinator all over major college football. Nothing at all like Orgeron. Wommack is FAR more comparable to Joe Lee Dunn than to Orgeron. Elite schemer -- not a recruiter. And let's not pretend his first couple of defenses there had elite talent. He started a bunch of Nutt freshmen and knocked our dicks in the dirt his first year on the job...

Engie, I'm completely with you on this, but you are t going to win this battle. People are thinking Crootin and not schemes.

[engie]

I guess that's why no one comes for him to coach for them.

Joe Lee Wommack**