Stars matter

[cheewgumm]

Recruit recruit recruit

[jumbo]

ok

[ShotgunDawg]

Recruit recruit recruit

Awesome thanks! Does that mean we get an extra win if we recruit a 4 star instead of a 3 star?

[Political Hack]

stars don't matter. tackles and TDs do.

[BLITZII]

I understand what you are saying about stars...............but true evaluation of a player both on and off the field is what matters.

We can all list 5* players who did not make it and 2* that did.......we can also list 5* who did.

Again, true evaluation matters unless you are only trying to win in February.

[defiantdog]

Stars matter to an extent with skill positions. You can't teach speed, instincts, and will to play. But proper technique is taught. You can't just throw a bunch of degenerates on the field and expect them to win either.

I'd rather have a 3* Running QB than a 5* Star Pro Style QB that runs a 7 sec forty and will break like a twig. But at the same, I'd take any 5* defensive player possible..... Especially at safety.

[cheewgumm]

If someone said " for the next 4 yrs you can sign nothing but 4 star players, sight unseen" or if they said " you can sign 3 star players sight unseen".... Which do u pick?

Every time we sign a 4 or 5 star we celebrate then say " stars don't matter"

[Political Hack]

Which group has more character and willingness to work?

[MaxedOutMaroon]

Name the six best players on our team (#7 in the country and the most regular season wins in school history), then report back to me on stars. Stop being butt hurt and stuck in the egg bowl. Like political hack said, which has more character and willingness to work? Is it good together highly starred players, yes. Does it determine how good you are, no

[Really Clark?]

If someone said " for the next 4 yrs you can sign nothing but 4 star players, sight unseen" or if they said " you can sign 3 star players sight unseen".... Which do u pick?

Every time we sign a 4 or 5 star we celebrate then say " stars don't matter"

I probably turn both down to take only the players I can evaluate. You can get away with recruiting like that in a video game but not the real world. Stars don't matter if the pieces and personalities don't fit. You can't know that without evaluations.

[ShotgunDawg]

Stars matter, so long as the recruiting website's evaluation is correct.

The biggest problem with the star system is that Benadrick McKinney, Dak Prescott, Ben Beckwith, Josh Robinson, DeRunnya Wilson, Taveze Calhoun, Matt Wells, Preston Smith, Dillon Day, etc... weren't evaluated correctly. I think the assumption that MSU just develops better than anyone else, is not entirely correct. While I do believe that MSU develops very well, the truth is that these players were not evaluated correctly by the recruiting websites. Whatever systematic way or scouting methods that the websites use, their system doesn't quite show the ability to quantify many of our players. That doesn't mean that our players weren't very good, it means that their system of evaluation was incorrect.

Assuming that recruiting websites were sound in their player evaluations, and the only question was scheme & fit, then stars would absolutely matter.

I love Dave Bartoo on Bo Bounds, but the biggest flaw in Dave's analysis is that he assumes that the recruiting websites have evaluated each player with the same effort, under the same criteria, under the same checklist, and offered the same amount of time to each recruit.

Unfortunately or fortunately, for Mississippi is that a high percentage of our players fall into the category of being under evaluated, when compared to players from FL, GA, AL, &LA.

The cause for this is that MS has many raw, under developed players, that come from small poor high schools, that are in the middle of nowhere, with no local news outlet, that have below average equipment to film games, and the player is likely playing out of position, due to the team needing their best player to play QB or some other position.

I'm not saying that we are recruiting as well as Alabama, LSU, Auburn, etc..., but I watch a ton of college football, and I can absolutely tell you we are bringing more talent than some teams the always recruit ahead of us in the star rankings.

[cheewgumm]

Look, I'm all for character and willingness to work. And I think we have found some overlooked talent obviously.

But you guys need to embrace reality. I know you can gce me examples of 2 star guys who
Made it big. But for every one of those there are 10 " star" players.

It's jut reality.

[HoopsDawg]

Of course Stars matter. Anyone who disagrees can exit the conversation.

But what matters just as much if not more is who are our coaches targeting and are they landing these players. That's how you judge a class. If they are moving on to plan B's and plan C's, then we are not doing a good job on the recruiting front.

For example, we really went after OG prospect Chandler Jones. Paul and Gene and all the recruiting guys thought he was MSU bound and then the day he announced, he committed to Louisville. A couple of days later we picked up a OG named Trey Derouen. Everyone said, See, we got a guy just as good. Trust the staff. Oh really? Because earlier this week we asked Derouen to greyshirt setting the stage for his decommitment. Then we targeted Geron Christian, he also committed to Louisville. Now we are in a position of scrambling for a HS OG. We will just have to see if we land a prospect with legit Power 5 offers or if we reach for a developmental (everyones favorite word) prospect like we had to last year.

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

Stars matter as an overall measure. You can look at the teams that have recruited well and they are generally the teams that are good. Do they matter for saying some individual player is going to be good? Not particularly.

[dawgpound]

Stars definitely matter but there will always be 3 stars who make it to the nfl and 5 star busts... just the way it goes but if you give me the option of a 5 star or a 3 star, i'm taking the 5 star every time.

[jumbo]

Of course Stars matter. Anyone who disagrees can exit the conversation.

But what matters just as much if not more is who are our coaches targeting and are they landing these players. That's how you judge a class. If they are moving on to plan B's and plan C's, then we are not doing a good job on the recruiting front.

For example, we really went after OG prospect Chandler Jones. Paul and Gene and all the recruiting guys thought he was MSU bound and then the day he announced, he committed to Louisville. A couple of days later we picked up a OG named Trey Derouen. Everyone said, See, we got a guy just as good. Trust the staff. Oh really? Because earlier this week we asked Derouen to greyshirt setting the stage for his decommitment. Then we targeted Geron Christian, he also committed to Louisville. Now we are in a position of scrambling for a HS OG. We will just have to see if we land a prospect with legit Power 5 offers or if we reach for a developmental (everyones favorite word) prospect like we had to last year.

not to derail this thread, but Derouen was a greyshirt from the beginning and Christian was not a replacement for him.

[maroonmania]

Stars matter, so long as the recruiting website's evaluation is correct.

The biggest problem with the star system is that Benadrick McKinney, Dak Prescott, Ben Beckwith, Josh Robinson, DeRunnya Wilson, Taveze Calhoun, Matt Wells, Preston Smith, Dillon Day, etc... weren't evaluated correctly. I think the assumption that MSU just develops better than anyone else, is not entirely correct. While I do believe that MSU develops very well, the truth is that these players were not evaluated correctly by the recruiting websites. Whatever systematic way or scouting methods that the websites use, their system doesn't quite show the ability to quantify many of our players. That doesn't mean that our players weren't very good, it means that their system of evaluation was incorrect.

Assuming that recruiting websites were sound in their player evaluations, and the only question was scheme & fit, then stars would absolutely matter.

I love Dave Bartoo on Bo Bounds, but the biggest flaw in Dave's analysis is that he assumes that the recruiting websites have evaluated each player with the same effort, under the same criteria, under the same checklist, and offered the same amount of time to each recruit.

Unfortunately or fortunately, for Mississippi is that a high percentage of our players fall into the category of being under evaluated, when compared to players from FL, GA, AL, &LA.

The cause for this is that MS has many raw, under developed players, that come from small poor high schools, that are in the middle of nowhere, with no local news outlet, that have below average equipment to film games, and the player is likely playing out of position, due to the team needing their best player to play QB or some other position.

I'm not saying that we are recruiting as well as Alabama, LSU, Auburn, etc..., but I watch a ton of college football, and I can absolutely tell you we are bringing more talent than some teams the always recruit ahead of us in the star rankings.

I tend to agree, we have certainly had our fair share of players we have NOT developed. I would put guys like Damien Robinson, Curtis Virges and even Justin Cox and Denico Autry (given their expectations) in that category. Doesn't mean lower rated players can't be as good or better than higher rated players but it would seem to be more of an overall risk that they will.

[HoopsDawg]

not to derail this thread, but Derouen was a greyshirt from the beginning and Christian was not a replacement for him.

We didn't ask Derouen to greyshirt to open up a spot for Chrisitian so in that sense, he wasn't a replacement. But in reality, we were/are looking for an OG prospect.

[Jack Lambert]

I wonder if you went back five years and research where each school ended up ranked in the College recruiting services rankings each year between than and now what would the average finish for the top ten in the CFP would be? Where would Baylor average being? Where would Oregon be average over the five years. Where would MSU be average. Where would Ole Miss be average? Where would State be averaged? How about TCU? We know where Bama would be.

Where is LSU, Auburn, TExas, A&M? Stars did not help them this year did it.

[bulldawg28]

Stars matter if your paying recruiting sites for information. Every player in the SEC is an above average athlete. It takes coaching to get the most out of potential and put players where they'll have the most impact. When coaches do that good things happen for the team.